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Andrespetmonkey said:
leatherhat said:
Spedfrom said:
I feel so sad for the poor kid. Just sitting there on his mother's lap and having to be an indirect victim of her raging stupid rant. Hopefully her influence on him won't amount to very much.

This is good, however: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/11/28/woman-arrested-over-racist-rant-in-my-tram-experience-youtube-video-115875-23595377/


How is arresting someone for speaking their mind a "good" thing?

Racial abuse (hate crime), disturbing the peace. An arrest seems justified to me.

lol... speaking isnt a hate crime.



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Player1x3 said:
English have only themselves to blame for the demise of their once extremely powerful country. They let their country be led by bunch of left wing liberal pussies. England needs another strong conservative leader like Sir Winston Churchill who actually had balls to deal with foreigners like a true leader. Its too bad to see civilization that ruled half the world coming to an such a agonazing and humiliating end...and the worst part is, they did it to themselves

Err... we have a conservative gorvenment in power (which is the government thats making a mess) and England's doing just fine... Assuming you're from America, you should worry about your own country since it's the US that seems to be the failure of the developed world in many ways, or at least a country that actually is struggling, and not England.

@Bolded Lol what?



phinch1 said:
highwaystar101 said:
phinch1 said:


1) With this whole political correct madness, that we can't fly the English flag incase we "Offend others"

2) We can't even called christmas Fucking christmas anymore becuase it might offend others, we have to called it the  festive season now, its a joke.

1) We can, because we do. Go out during a sporting event and the St George's cross is everywhere. In every bar and in every home. It's sad, because the government even had to make an offical statement saying that it isn't banned a few years ago due to this misconception.

2) You can still call Christmas Christmas, nobody is stopping you. This is just something that seems to have stemmed out from local governments giving the period a banner term to cover a range of religious holidays around that period. Of course, the tabloids pick that up twist it, tell people the half truth and assert that it is banned. Stewart Lee explains this one well.

LoL not even going to watch the video, it has been "banned" in certain aspects mcdonalds can no longer say christmas ,its the festive season.

 

some schools no longer have the nativity play at christmas because head teachers belive it will offend other faiths, I mean come on really?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1571187/School-nativity-plays-under-threat.html

the idea of calling it "winter light festival" rather than christmas

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3367390/Christmas-banned-in-Oxford-by-council-owned-charity.html

 

why do some people not have a back bone any more

 

 

Why do some people not have a backbone? I assume that you're not referring to me, because I think I've made it clear that I feel I can say Christmas freely to whoever I like. Christmas , Christmas, Christmas. See nothing bad happened.

Or is it because I know I don't have to play the underdog? It's a shame that you didn't even have the courtesy to watch the video I provided, because it really does explain well why terms like "Winter light festival" are actually used. It's not the banning of christmas at all, it's a banner term that refers to the multitude of religious festivals during that period*, each one you can refer to individually if you wish.

Look, I live Birmingham, the city which infamously "banned" Christmas, when in reality no such thing occurred. Hymns and carols were still being played in shops and the annual Christmas market carried on as it always has done. It was that Birmingham has very large  Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu and Sikh populations. So when all the festivals during that period were referred to singularly, it was called "Winterville", but each festival could be referred to and celebrated individually too. It was only when it hit the papers that this turned into a "ban".

As for Nativity plays, that is at each schools own discretion (schools are supposed to be secular institutions after all). If a school has a significant amount of students from many religions, then it may feel it is in the best interests of the students to put on a secular play. It's not banning Christmas or anything, students are still free to celebrate it if they wish (give cards to classmates, etc). You may not like it, but some schools may like to have a secular outlook in order to accommodate their wide variety of students, whilst respecting the students personal right to celebrate their own religious festival. This is perfectly reasonable, I don't see the problem.

Let's face it, if you wanted to, you could run through the streets covered in St George's crosses bellowing Silent Night out and you wouldn't be prosecuted for it because there are no laws against doing it.

*Christmas (Christianity, Islam), Ashura (Islam), Diwali (Hinduism), Hanukkah (Judaism), Winter solstice (Pagan), etc.



Andrespetmonkey said:
Player1x3 said:
English have only themselves to blame for the demise of their once extremely powerful country. They let their country be led by bunch of left wing liberal pussies. England needs another strong conservative leader like Sir Winston Churchill who actually had balls to deal with foreigners like a true leader. Its too bad to see civilization that ruled half the world coming to an such a agonazing and humiliating end...and the worst part is, they did it to themselves

Err... we have a conservative gorvenment in power (which is the government thats making a mess) and England's doing just fine... Assuming you're from America, you should worry about your own country since it's the US that seems to be the failure of the developed world in many ways, or at least a country that actually is struggling, and not England.

@Bolded Lol what?


Yes, conservative government is in power after how long again? And im not from America, im from Germany. And i didn't say they need conservative government, but a good conservative leader like Churchill

You culture, as well as your national and religious identity is slowly but steady coming to an humiliating end. Enjoy your Eurabia England !



The_Joker_Product said:
highwaystar101 said:
The_Joker_Product said:
highwaystar101 said:
The_Joker_Product said:
See even the thing about her getting arrested, if a black did the exact same thing, he would never get arrested for that. All those muslims burned poppys when white people were showing respect for those who died in WW2 and they werent arrested.

But a white woman tells the truth and shes arrested, of course she would be though, if she wasnt blacks may start riots because she wasnt punished.


I'm sorry, but, what?

Since when has the poppy been a symbol of being white? I hate that the poppy is being hijacked as a symbol of the "native residents" of Britain. It's not. Flat out not! 

The poppy is a symbol of the freedoms we have that were fought for by our forefathers. Many non-white Britons as well as first/second generation immigrants respect what the poppy represents. They enjoy the freedoms our forefathers fought for too, and you'll find most of them have a direct respect for them because of that. It's not a "white" symbol, it's a national symbol.

No you misunderstand, there was that incident, im sure you've heard of it you can watch it here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cetGUdada8g

It was remembrance day there was a bunch of people in London paying their respects they all appeared to be white. Then all these muslims starting burning poppies and chanting british soldiers burn in hell.

Now from what i heard one of the muslims was fined £50 for doing that but this woman on the tram has to go to prison or something, thats not fair, thats not equal, its this kind of thing why most people these other races.

 

I know of the incident and I was as shocked as anyone else. But what I mean is why even specify white people? I would be amazed if that entire crowd was white. Why not just say "people" and not make it sound like you're trying to racially polarise the issue?

Because in the VIDEO, you can see that they are infact pretty much all white, i didnt see no blacks in the crowd.

A-ha, a double negative. So you did see them in the crowd :p

I watched the video, you can see a lot of white people, granted. But to assume that only white people were respecting those who fought for our rights is pretty strange. I mean, all over the country I saw non-white people paying their respects. The video isn't the be all and end all of those who wear poppies. To  try and characterise the poppy as "white" is just a strange tactic, when it is clearly not. Again, why not just say "people" and not racialise the poppy?

Even so, these Muslims were Anti-British army (or crusaders as they would probably say), which is not a racial thing in itself, it's an anti-army thing. The British army is made up of people from all backgrounds, even historically with the royal Gurkha regiment, etc. Their acton, whilst disrespectful and shocking, was not racist, it was only racist by those who wanted it to be racist so they could use it to their advantage. They were protesting against a group that contained members from all ethnic backgrounds.

I'm sorry, but I don't actually think that is a racist issue come to think of it. An example of a racist issue is the woman who you claimed had been arrested and sentenced in a day (when she wasn't) for shouting racist obscenities at pasengers on a tram.



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The_Joker_Product said:
TadpoleJackson said:
The_Joker_Product said:

For example. i heard about a terrorist plan for Times Square New York, this guy was arrested, i looked up the guy behind it and it was this guy

http://www.a-w-i-p.com/media/blogs/articles/Articles25/US_Jose_Pimental_entrapped_muslim_93.jpg

You knew he would be a middle eastern looking guy without even hearing the name. They always are. They are 4 or 5% of the British population, yet whenever theres trouble its a middle eastern looking guy, just goes to show how on average they are far far more likely to commit a crime than a white guy.

err... Jose is a Hispanic name... and Jose Pimental is of Dominican descent. No where near the Middle East 

I didnt say he was from the middle east i said he was middle eastern looking.

So now it's just a matter of looking like you're from the middle east?

Here that, Latin-American world? The Joker Product is on to your little game



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

UK is a messed up society imo, based on my travels there.

lol



Player1x3 said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
Player1x3 said:
English have only themselves to blame for the demise of their once extremely powerful country. They let their country be led by bunch of left wing liberal pussies. England needs another strong conservative leader like Sir Winston Churchill who actually had balls to deal with foreigners like a true leader. Its too bad to see civilization that ruled half the world coming to an such a agonazing and humiliating end...and the worst part is, they did it to themselves

Err... we have a conservative gorvenment in power (which is the government thats making a mess) and England's doing just fine... Assuming you're from America, you should worry about your own country since it's the US that seems to be the failure of the developed world in many ways, or at least a country that actually is struggling, and not England.

@Bolded Lol what?


Yes, conservative government is in power after how long again? And im not from America, im from Germany. And i didn't say they need conservative government, but a good conservative leader like Churchill

You culture, as well as your national and religious identity is slowly but steady coming to an humiliating end. Enjoy your Eurabia England !

xD How so? How is Englands national and religious identity slowly coming to a humiliating end? What do you even mean by religious identity? I live in England, so I think I might have a more accurate image of it than you do, and it seems to be doing alright. I think you're being a little melodramatic.

Muslims make up 3% of the population.

But don't get me wrong, I'm not exactly a fan, but I think you are being way over the top. What humiliating end? 



I wish their were no muslims in UK.



highwaystar101 said:
phinch1 said:
highwaystar101 said:
phinch1 said:


1) With this whole political correct madness, that we can't fly the English flag incase we "Offend others"

2) We can't even called christmas Fucking christmas anymore becuase it might offend others, we have to called it the  festive season now, its a joke.

1) We can, because we do. Go out during a sporting event and the St George's cross is everywhere. In every bar and in every home. It's sad, because the government even had to make an offical statement saying that it isn't banned a few years ago due to this misconception.

2) You can still call Christmas Christmas, nobody is stopping you. This is just something that seems to have stemmed out from local governments giving the period a banner term to cover a range of religious holidays around that period. Of course, the tabloids pick that up twist it, tell people the half truth and assert that it is banned. Stewart Lee explains this one well.

LoL not even going to watch the video, it has been "banned" in certain aspects mcdonalds can no longer say christmas ,its the festive season.

 

some schools no longer have the nativity play at christmas because head teachers belive it will offend other faiths, I mean come on really?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1571187/School-nativity-plays-under-threat.html

the idea of calling it "winter light festival" rather than christmas

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3367390/Christmas-banned-in-Oxford-by-council-owned-charity.html

 

why do some people not have a back bone any more

 

 

Why do some people not have a backbone? I assume that you're not referring to me, because I think I've made it clear that I feel I can say Christmas freely to whoever I like. Christmas , Christmas, Christmas. See nothing bad happened.

Or is it because I know I don't have to play the underdog? It's a shame that you didn't even have the courtesy to watch the video I provided, because it really does explain well why terms like "Winter light festival" are actually used. It's not the banning of christmas at all, it's a banner term that refers to the multitude of religious festivals during that period*, each one you can refer to individually if you wish.

Look, I live Birmingham, the city which infamously "banned" Christmas, when in reality no such thing occurred. Hymns and carols were still being played in shops and the annual Christmas market carried on as it always has done. It was that Birmingham has very large  Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu and Sikh populations. So when all the festivals during that period were referred to singularly, it was called "Winterville", but each festival could be referred to and celebrated individually too. It was only when it hit the papers that this turned into a "ban".

As for Nativity plays, that is at each schools own discretion (schools are supposed to be secular institutions after all). If a school has a significant amount of students from many religions, then it may feel it is in the best interests of the students to put on a secular play. It's not banning Christmas or anything, students are still free to celebrate it if they wish (give cards to classmates, etc). You may not like it, but some schools may like to have a secular outlook in order to accommodate their wide variety of students, whilst respecting the students personal right to celebrate their own religious festival. This is perfectly reasonable, I don't see the problem.

Let's face it, if you wanted to, you could run through the streets covered in St George's crosses bellowing Silent Night out and you wouldn't be prosecuted for it because there are no laws against doing it.

*Christmas (Christianity, Islam), Ashura (Islam), Diwali (Hinduism), Hanukkah (Judaism), Winter solstice (Pagan), etc.


No your right im not reffering to you,im reffering to the odd people in those cases, I could find loads of them and I know those articles are only cases here and there nothing massive, but it's not even the " minorities" complaining, in those articles its always a white woman/man who thinks there are doing something great for the minorities of the country by sticking up for the when quite frankley i dont think they care, I Wonder if these people are almost afraid of the minorities, and ass lick to get in their good books 

aha you live just up the road from me then, I'm from kiddy