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spurgeonryan said:


Are you talking about Communism?

no

i was talking about corporatism,oligarchy and socialism which regulates the systems and rich take over the country's decision and regulates it so that rich stay rich without any work

The rich willalways be rich. No matter what type of government there is.

no they won't

how do you get to that conclusion,in a free market

you would have to work to stay rich as government won't be printing unlimited money

Not sure what needs to be censored about the internet though? Everything is pretty good as it is right now I thought.

there is nothing that should be censored

they want the internet regulated so that the existing big internet companies can stay at top and new competition won't be there

Maybe make it harder for kids to get to adult sites, but other than that what else needs to be done?

but why should the government do that

that will take away your freedom and liberties

regulation is the biggest problem,where government dictates what they feel is good for the system





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HappySqurriel said:


Being that the most active pirates I know have the money to buy a legitimate copy of the content for their desired use, I think claiming piracy exists because of income inequality is 100% BS ...

cause they feel there is inflation in the economy,they use their money wisely

so they think whatever they can get free they will and spend their money where costs are going up

its common sense and logic,nobody steals food if they have a  good job to work and make their own food

Whether you're talking about music, movies, books or videogames piracy is the results of businesses holding onto a broken and outdated business model.

that is also the case but there is inflation also

when greece is out of jobs,britain has 2million unemployment,USA is going with 10-20% unemployment and the concentration of all of worlds wealth is towards the wesrtern nation which is create on $15trillion USA debt and $15trillion European Union debt,what will the people do?

With the introduction of low cost high speed internet connections the marginal cost of producing an additional "sale" of content is very low and is getting cheaper all the time, and (at this point in time) content like books and songs have a marginal cost of nearly $0.00. What this means is that the content should be priced at the highest level where the vast majority of individuals see no value in "stealing" the content in order to maximize profit.

but if you decrease inflation and they think that other commodities are available at good costs,why will they not legally download songs,books,video games from itunes,Steam,etc where you have an added incentive of having ur games always available in the cloud to download from and you don't have to hack the game to play.

All tension and work out of the way,they will go an purchase legally

As an example of what I mean, music companies would probably sell far more than 4 times as much music if the songs were priced at $0.25 (and more than 10 times as much music if they were sold at $0.10) than they're selling at the $1 per song price.

thats your assumption that demand will increase but $0.99 is already pretty cheap and with inlfation happening in the economy why would the music lables want to decrease their income

Now, rather than try to adapt to the new market, companies are trying to force people to pay the prices they dictate by eliminating the black market competition who're selling the product at a healthy margin over the marginal cost; in most cases, the marginal cost is (roughly) $0.00 and the healthy margin is the money they generate from advertising.

most illegal downloads are done by p2p which has no advertising or very low advertising

The way to "solve" piracy is to tell the media companies to adapt or die ... If a pirate can afford to "sell" a copy of an album for (roughly) $0.00 why do they need to sell it for $15.00+

the music companies margin would be the same as inflation will decrease the money's value





Meh, its only for the Americans, I'm safe and sound here in Europe lol



i have to ask a question, after reading some stuff off the wikipedia link:

Ars Technica on Nov 17 2011 reported the appearance of a new anonymous top-level domain outside of ICANN control.[30]

^ can someone explain that to a dumbtard like me? i only understand the date put in there, not all that other stuff. (i read about ICANN in the past, theyre the guys of teh internetz, no? but yeah, i only understand.. nothing.)



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Turkish said:
Meh, its only for the Americans, I'm safe and sound here in Europe lol

No, see, you're not. Unless you browse on a lot of sites that have insignificant American userbases.

Because the USA can use this to block all incoming traffic, that means all websites with significant traffic from America have to follow this law so that they can retain access to the American market



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HappySqurriel said:
Slimebeast said:
YouTube will become less relaxed as they start blocking videos and music from big companies, but apart from that what is the big deal?


My fear is how this law would be abused ...

There is already a problem on Youtube where people are being censored by individuals/organizations who file a copyright complaint against them.  Often there is not material with copyrights in these videos, and/or it clearly falls under fair use, but it still goes through and enables those people with some power to effectively censor something they don't like.

To bring it back to this site, suppose this law goes through and EA decides that they want to silence negative reviews for their game being published prior to the game being released and they start claiming that the videos/images of their game on sites with negative reviews violates their copyright. Suddenly these sites are shut down and it takes thousands of dollars of legal fees and weeks to clear up the mess; both of which could kill many small sites.

Hell, I would expect vgchartz to be shut down almost immediately by a copyright complaint from NPD ...

That would suck big time, VGC getting shut down by NPD.

Also, using copyright infringement as an immoral tool to block critical people would be much more common yes, I have understood that it's a significant problem already today on YouTube.

Squirrel, you have the best arguments as always. I love your posts.



Mr Khan said:
Turkish said:
Meh, its only for the Americans, I'm safe and sound here in Europe lol

No, see, you're not. Unless you browse on a lot of sites that have insignificant American userbases.

Because the USA can use this to block all incoming traffic, that means all websites with significant traffic from America have to follow this law so that they can retain access to the American market


yeah but that will take a worldwide effort which they will not be able to pass

its like saying we don't take oil from Middle or russia,the world will crash so it won't happen



snakenobi said:
Mr Khan said:
Turkish said:
Meh, its only for the Americans, I'm safe and sound here in Europe lol

No, see, you're not. Unless you browse on a lot of sites that have insignificant American userbases.

Because the USA can use this to block all incoming traffic, that means all websites with significant traffic from America have to follow this law so that they can retain access to the American market


yeah but that will take a worldwide effort which they will not be able to pass

its like saying we don't take oil from Middle or russia,the world will crash so it won't happen

Why would it take a worldwide effort for the US to block sites from being vewed in the US? What will happen is that these sites will not be able to make enough money with out the ad revenue from the amricans and they will most likely fail and be replaced by more country specific sites.



Wagram said:
I don't see this happening. There would just be a massive outrage over it.

You assume that things that cause outrage are immediately canned in congress or the senate.

This bill has both Republican and Democrat support. It is also being championed by unions and the chamber of congress. Its a horrible bill and shows you that in America, both Republicans and Democrats love to kill freedom. Blood is on both sides' hands.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

well to be honest rampant piracy exists mostly with movies and software.

Most people still buy video games, many people have gone back to buying music or using youtube.

Movies is the big one.