NJ5 said: Mummelmann said: Slimebeast said: Yeah, por favor Diomedes, show us the evidence asap! ioi Hey ioi, btw, how much accuracy do you have in those Scandinavia sales numbers? I don't have any proof, but such a clear lead for the PS3 seems very strange to me coming from the biggest Scandinavian country, Sweden, cuz the "feeling" here is that the X360 is by far the more popular console and the mind frame (?) of people is simply put that the PS3 is struggling (even after the heavy price drop). I find that a bit hard to swallow, I went to Denmark this on summer vacation '07, and the PS3 was destroying the 360 over there. Here in Norway, it took the PS3 approx 7-8 months to whizz past the 360 in sales from March release. From what I understood when we drove through Sweden both down and up to/from Denmark, the same was the case there. I could be wrong, since I'm not Swedish, but it seems strange that Sweden would be vastly different from Denmark and Norway in this regard. I'm sure ioi is on top of the situation. I might send him a few links to provide proof for PS3 dominance in Norway if it helps, if he wants it that is. While you were driving, did you actually see the PS3 destroying the 360 from your car? ;)

 We sometimes stopped driving, you see. We spent about a week in Sweden all in all, and in many different places. Same with Denmark.

Diomedes1976 said: Ah ,now I see ,we have been seeing information from French media about the PS3 being above 500K but that isnt useful at all .

 

Diomedes1976 said: Actually the PS3 numbers in France are exceeding 500K and it has already catched up the 360 .

 

Diomedes1976 said: Now just look at this for your proof . http://www.zdnet.fr/actualites/informatique/0,39040745,39377078,00.htm

 Diomedes, peut-etre que tu devrais apprendre a lire le Francais avant d'avancer comme preuves des articles qui ne soutiennent pas tes affirmations.

D'abord, tu dis que la PS3 en France a vendue plus de 500k unites d'apres GFK et tu cites un article dans "les echos". Maintenant il est possible que cet article soutienne ton assertion mais etant donne que apres multiple demande tu ne nous a toujours pas donne de lien vers cet article tu ne peut donc pas l'utiliser comme preuve. Si tu veux que l'on prenne ta reference aux echos serieusement il faudrait mieux que tu nous donne le lien.

 Ensuite, etant donne que tu ne nous donne pas de lien vers les echos on ne peut qu'utiliser le lien zdnet.fr que tu nous donne comme sois-disant "preuve". Le passage cle dans cet article pour confirmer ou infirmer ton assertion est:

 "Selon nos informations, les consoles concurrentes se sont vendues à : un peu moins de 600 000 Sony PSP, environ 500 000 PS3 et plus de 200 000 Xbox 360 en 2007."

 Ton assertion est, je le repete PLUS de 500 000 ("the PS3 being above 500K"; "the PS3 numbers in France are exceeding 500K" d'apres tes propres mots).

L'article dit "environ 500 000 PS3", ce qui est loin d'etre la meme chose car un chiffre plus petit que 500 000 peut aussi etre environ 500 000. Et meme si ils disaient plus de 500k cela ne voudrais pas dire que c'est le gospel etant donne qu'ils disent "Selon nos informations" sans mentionner GFK.

Je suis sur que tu vas dire: 'Mais leurs informations viennent de GFK' mais si c'etait le cas pourquoi ne pas citer GFK etant donne que dans le paragraphe suivant qui parle de la taille marche Francais des jeux Videos ils disent: "le secteur français de la console de jeu (chiffres d'affaires cumulés des acteurs) devrait dépasser 1,1 milliard d'euros, selon GFK"

 Le fait qu'ils citent GFK ici et non pas pour les 500k est bien preuve que les 500k ne viennent pas de GFK (ce qui ne veut pas dire que GFK n'est pas a 500k pour la PS3, juste que cela ne le prouve pas).

Maintenant, si on utilise les chiffres dans cet article comme source officieuse de ventes (donc pas aussi reliable que GFK mais suffisament bonnes pour comparer avec VGChartz) on peut voir si VGChartz est proche des estimations de zdnet.fr:

DS: zdnet.fr: 2.2M en 2007 et 1.4M en 2006

      VGChartz: 2,22M en 2007 et 1.48M en 2006 -> moins de 10% de difference 

Wii: zdnet.fr: un peu plus d'un million d'unités. (1M+))

       VGChartz: 1,268,856  peut etre un peu trop haut mais le manque de precision de zdnet ne nous permet pas de dire si c'est la cas.

PSP: zdnet: un peu moins de 600 000 (600k-)

       VGChartz: 528,624 soit environ 10% de moins que zdnet

PS3: zdnet: environ 500 000 PS3  (~= 500k PS3)

Diomedes1976 said: Ah ,now I see ,we have been seeing information from French media about the PS3 being above 500K but that isnt useful at all .

 

Diomedes1976 said: Actually the PS3 numbers in France are exceeding 500K and it has already catched up the 360 .

 

Diomedes1976 said: Now just look at this for your proof . http://www.zdnet.fr/actualites/informatique/0,39040745,39377078,00.htm

 Diomedes, maybe you should learn how to read French before touting as proof articles that do not support your affirmations.

First, you say that the PS3 in France has sold more than 500k units according to GFK and you cite an article in "Les Echos". Now, it is possible that this article supports your assertion but given that after many requests you still haven't given us a link to it you therefore canot use it as proof. If you want us to take that source seriously you had better give us a link.

Second, given that you did not give us a link to that "les echos" article we can only use that zdnet.fr link that you give us as a "proof". The key part in that article to confirm or infirm your assertion is:

"Selon nos informations, les consoles concurrentes se sont vendues à : un peu moins de 600 000 Sony PSP, environ 500 000 PS3 et plus de 200 000 Xbox 360 en 2007."

Which translate in English to: "According to our informations, the competing consoles sold: a bit under 600k Sony PSP, about 500k PS3 and more than 200k Xbox 360 in 2007."

Again, your assertion is more than 500k ("the PS3 being above 500K"; "the PS3 numbers in France are exceeding 500K" according to your own words).

The article says "about 500k PS3" which is far from being the same as a number smaller than 500k can also be about 500k. Even if they did say more than 500k it wouldn't mean that it was the gospel of PS3 sales given that they say  "According to our informations" without mentioning GFK.

I am sure that you will say: 'But their informations come from GFK' however if it was the case why wouldn't they cite GFK given that in the next paragraph talking about the size of the French Video Game market they say:

 "le secteur français de la console de jeu (chiffres d'affaires cumulés des acteurs) devrait dépasser 1,1 milliard d'euros, selon GFK"

 In English: "The French sector of video game consoles (total sum of all companies) should be more than 1.1 billion Euros, according to GFK"

Givne that they cite GFK here and not for the 500k is proof that the 500k do not come from GFK (which doesn't mean that GFK wouldn't be at 500k, just that this doesn't prove them to be). 

Now, if we use the numbers in that article as an officious sales ressource (so not as good as GFK but good enough to compare with VGChartz) we can see that VGChartz is close from zdnet.fr's estimations:

DS: zdnet.fr: 2.2M in 2007 and 1.4M in 2006

      VGChartz: 2,22M in 2007 and 1.48M in 2006 -> less than 10% difference 

Wii: zdnet.fr: a bit more than 1M units

       VGChartz: 1,268,856 maybe a bit too high but the lack of precision in zdnet;s number doesn't tel us whether this is the case.

PSP: zdnet: a bit less than 600k

       VGChartz: 528,624 so about 10% less than zdnet

PS3: zdnet: about 500 000 PS3

Some more wood to the fire:

http://www.lesechos.fr/info/innovation/4657834.htm

This is an article from the french newspaper "les echos". The article is from 06 december 2007, and is about the coming to some european country of Video on demand to the Xbox360. But the interesting parte i'll translate for you guys.

« To date, we have sold close to 500,000 Xbox 360 in the hexagon and 8 million players in the world have subscribed to our service Xbox Live, said Francois Ruault, director of recreational products division of Microsoft. »

For you non french guys "the hexagon" is one of the ways they call their country, because of it's shape. Don't know if those "close to 500,000" means retail or consumer.

"What the hell?!

I thought the Playstation 3 was doing good, but now it's all worthless."

 I hope you are joking. :) PS3 is doing good, its been beating the 360 in total sales for a month and a half.

LastManStanding said: Some more wood to the fire: http://www.lesechos.fr/info/innovation/4657834.htm This is an article from the french newspaper "les echos". The article is from 06 december 2007, and is about the coming to some european country of Video on demand to the Xbox360. But the interesting parte i'll translate for you guys. « To date, we have sold close to 500,000 Xbox 360 in the hexagon and 8 million players in the world have subscribed to our service Xbox Live, said Francois Ruault, director of recreational products division of Microsoft. » For you non french guys "the hexagon" is one of the ways they call their country, because of it's shape. Don't know if those "close to 500,000" means retail or consumer.

so if the article was on 06 december, we can assume the best estimate would be what vgchartz had for x360 in france at the end of the last week before that, which is the week ending 02 december

http://vgchartz.com/hwtable.php?cons%5B%5D=X360®%5B%5D=France&start=38557&end=39418

Console	X360
France	542,479

so from launch -> dec 02 (and i'd even say that that was too soon to be the date the guy was actually referring to), Vgchartz said 542,479
+10% = 596,726.9
-10% = 488,231.1

So I think it is pretty safe to say, that even at week ending december 2, vgchartz was still within a reasonable range

and in case you are wondering, 542,479 and 500,000 are different by -7.8% only

 

hehe

halil23 said: Aj_habfan said: It just dropped like 200k overall! Hey kid I can say the same. Xbox dropped like 200k overall! Wii dropped like 200k overall! It because Christmas is over you Sony hater, or unless you don't know what Christmas is! Plus it drop 120k not 200k, YOU FAIL! Therefore you have no right to make a thread or even posts! GO AWAY!!!

I don't think you understand what he meant.. it dropped 200k after the numbers were released for that week, he didn't mean the difference between two weeks.. but that has been explained without namecalling for the past five pages

grandmaster192 said: Why are you so hateful, Diomedes?

Because he's a raging fanboy. He registered on this site just to defend his console of choice. He has an axe to grind, is impervious to reason and will accept nothing but ps3 dominating the sales. In the event ps3 isn't dominating it's because the numbers are wrong - sony could never fail him, because he'll never fail sony.

Honestly, this site's moderation is maybe a bit too loose. People like him or crazzyman would have been ipbanned long time ago on most forums. But hey, not my site, not my problem.

ioi, you are the man.