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selnor said:
LivingMetal said:
selnor said:
PlaystaionGamer said:
i would laugh hard at how many xbox fans will be like 'blu ray is the best! look my xbox has bluray' after all the shade they threw at sony.. it would be interesting..


It wouldnt bother me. If they use it for games so be it. I still wont be buying bLU Ray films. I have 1080p films on Xbox Live. Al of them which are impossible to scratch or break. Wy would I go backwards in my technology just because its there.


Personally, I prefer the 5.1 and 7.1 uncompressed audio and the extras you'd find on an optical disc.  So having more content and higher quality audio going backwards in technology?  You must be humoring yourself.

So Id have to spend more money eitherr renting or buying a Bluray, than what I'm currently doing without the need of a  shop? Without the need to store films? 
Also lately Zunes films have been getting exclusive content like certain Makings, deleted scenes Etc. It tells you on Zune MArketplace when a film has exclusive Zune bonus features not found on the DVD or Bluray. 

Going from the future of tecnology to yesterdays Disc format is backwards. The future will be eavily streaming and downloading, its just a matter of time. So yes Id be going backwards. As I hhave adopted tommorrow early. :)

5.1 and 7.1 uncompressed audio was not addressed, and you just implied that there is content found on an optical disc NOT found on Zune.  You lose.



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Joelcool7 said:
zarx said:


Despite growth in digital distrabution Blu-Ray is still likely to be the primary movie distrabution medium in 3-5 years (then digital will take over in 6-8) so if they want to push themselves as a multimedia hub at launch they will need Blu-Ray there just isn't any other viable option right now, HD-DVD is dead and production would end up more expensive, internet infrastructure just isn't ready for digital on a global scale there is not really any choice now. 

MS backed HD-DVD over Blu-Ray because they had a bigger stake in HD-DVD as all the interactive parts of the spec ran on a MS system where as Blu-Ray uses Java. They didn't try to push Blu-Ray on Xbox 360 as add-ons wouldn't be very cost effective and Blu-Ray addaption has been slow and DVD is still the primary medium for movies. 

And like I said before MS are not out to kill Sony they work together on far to many things, their home console devisions may be competing but the movie devision of Sony would be the ones they would be indirectly paying a small fraction of the cost of the Blu-Ray drive. The fact that money is going to Sony won't ever be a major factor in the decision ether, they will ether go Blu-Ray or all digital and all digital isn't a real option yet.


Good argument, however DVD is still alive and well.

While I believe BluRay will inevitably over take DVD, by the time it does Digital Distribution in films will be far higher. In fact digital distribution and streaming is already taking out a lot of the movie retailers. I have heard personally from the manager at my local FutureShop that their sales of physical media are dropping almost every month except the winter months.

NetFlix and such seem to be where movies are going. Unlike games you don't need to have a massive hard drive and my sister can play HD Netflix films with DSL. Yes having BluRay would open them up to some consumers. But not as many as you'd think DVD remains the primary format and even with HD will likely remain in power another 2-3 years before BluRay fully replaces it. By the time BluRay has fully replaced it as the physical format the streaming and DD film industry will be far larger as well.

So when would BluRay actually be beneficial? About 2-3 years into the Nex-box's life span. However as mentioned by the time it over takes DVD , DD in film will be big enough to compensate for the loss.

As for Microsoft's intent to crush Sony. This is based on many factors including the fact my Uncle on my American side works for Microsoft in  Redmond and used to be at their Seattle office. He told me years ago when DreamCast got Microsoft's operating system that Microsoft was going to enter the industry. He said Microsoft saw Sony as a direct threat to PC and that Microsoft thought Sony was planning to go after them. Xbox apparently was a three phase plan executed to prevent Sony from entering the PC industry.

Now would Microsoft support Sony Pictures? I don't know I have never talked to a Microsoft employee about Sony pictures. But being a division of Sony I would conclude that Microsoft probably would like to avoid giving them money if at all possible. As I said DVD was already a big move and at the time it was necessary but this new generation it might not be.

Also Microsoft has undoubtedly been watching Nintendo. Nintendo proved with Wii you didn't need a physical film format to succeed. In fact NetFlix was most successful on Wii for a while. I have no doubt that Microsoft has taken notes and this leads even further in the direction away from BluRay.

I honestly think Microsoft will have its own disk format to reveal. It may be very similar to a BluRay disk but it will be the primary format for games on Nex-Box. No I don't think they will try to make it a movie format that war is over, but look at Nintendo's success with its own formats in the past.


Don't confuse the USA with the world, in the USA, Japan, UK and parts of europe the internet is strong but globally physical is still king. As for revenue DVD still has the advantage of a massive back catalog, if you look at the split for new releases the picture is a bit different

US DVD Sales Chart for Week Ending Oct 9, 2011

RankPrev. RankTitleUnits this Week% ChangeTotal UnitsSales this WeekTotal SalesWeeks in Release
1 (-) Fast Five 851,448 -.-% 851,448 $13,921,175 $13,921,175 1
2 (1) Transformers: Dark of the Moon 628,113 -15.3% 1,369,374 $10,671,640 $24,711,123 2
3 (2) Bridesmaids 214,820 -36.5% 1,840,173 $3,557,419 $29,533,291 3
4 (3) Spooky Buddies 113,668 -33.1% 628,200 $1,931,219 $10,056,439 3
5 (-) Scream 4 111,455 -.-% 111,455 $1,777,707 $1,777,707 1
6 (6) Thor 74,842 -6.5% 936,327 $1,234,145 $16,228,146 4
7 (5) X-Men: First Class 65,902 -18.5% 1,142,068 $1,058,386 $20,033,506 5
8 (4) How I Met Your Mother: Season Six 53,775 -37.4% 139,613 $1,343,837 $3,733,567 2
9 (8) Dumbo 49,384 -18.6% - $863,726 - 937
10 (9) Barbie: Princess Charm School 40,614 -10.6% 392,349 $556,586 $5,128,051 4
11 (10) Rio 33,121 0.0% 3,153,514 $496,484 $47,544,099 10
12 (-) Fast & Furious 31,674 -.-% 3,359,527 $474,477 $54,402,167 115
13 (15) Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen 28,949 25.6% 9,787,156 $390,522 $220,810,999 103
14 (7) Jeff Dunham: Controlled Chaos 28,779 -59.9% 100,607 $354,269 $1,238,472 2
15 (11) Modern Family: The Complete Second Season 28,218 -7.4% 150,074 $846,258 $4,500,719 3
16 (22) Transformers 28,013 55.5% 16,233,695 $290,576 $292,165,658 208
17 (20) Hocus Pocus 27,715 48.5% - $229,480 - 488
18 (26) Barney's Halloween Party 22,761 77.5% 256,530 $165,700 $1,680,238 110
19 (19) Mrs. Doubtfire 22,349 9.6% - $203,888 - 813
20 (13) The Big Bang Theory: The Complete Fourth Season 20,926 -16.0% 319,934 $591,787 $8,829,950 4
21 (12) Glee: The Complete Second Season 18,729 -30.4% 208,295 $664,692 $7,035,333 4
22 (16) Hanna 17,346 -23.3% 287,596 $271,118 $4,972,480 5
23 (-) Spookley the Square Pumpkin 16,337 -.-% - $141,338 - 318
24 (14) It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia: Season Six 15,145 -37.6% 140,722 $340,611 $3,124,096 4
25 (18) Castle: The Complete Third Season 14,134 -31.9% 105,813 $458,931 $3,391,742 3
26 (28) House, M.D.: Season Seven 13,741 12.3% 191,859 $473,927 $6,990,439 6
27 (23) Madea's Big Happy Family 12,892 -16.2% 539,158 $207,948 $8,680,601 6
28 (-) Paranormal Activity 2 11,865 -.-% 912,157 $182,128 $14,777,853 35
29 (25) Tangled 11,572 -13.8% 6,315,309 $176,820 $96,939,291 28
30 (17) Beauty and the Beast 11,239 -48.4% - $219,967 - 470

Weekly Domestic Blu-ray Sales Chart for Week Ending October 9, 2011

RankPrev. RankTitleUnits this Week% ChangeTotal unitsSales this WeekTotal SalesWeeks in Release
1 (-) The Lion King 1,571,268   - $46,462,395 - 867
2 (-) Fast Five 1,127,385   1,127,385 $23,111,388 $23,111,388 1
3 1 Transformers: Dark of the Moon 832,615 -36.19% 2,137,358 $18,309,202 $45,643,568 2
4 3 Thor 94,119 +28.81% 1,027,700 $3,051,336 $29,438,495 4
5 2 Bridesmaids 83,906 -40.89% 770,434 $2,096,804 $17,853,589 3
6 (-) Pulp Fiction 77,621   - $1,008,292 - 814
7 (-) Scream 4 74,164   74,164 $1,682,778 $1,682,778 1
8 (-) African Cats 52,952   52,952 $1,096,101 $1,096,101 1
9 4 Star Wars: The Complete Saga (Episodes I-VI) 52,323 -23.76% 916,549 $4,274,807 $70,940,764 2
10 5 X-Men: First Class 51,695 -14.43% 1,108,759 $1,225,165 $26,880,153 5

as you can see for new release titles Blu-ray revenue is well ahead of DVD for the top 10, as the Blu-ray catalog fills in it will rapidly overtake DVD.

as you can see Blu-ray is at least as important as digital right now. In Europe the picture is much better for Blu-ray



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Actually Sony probably wont even put the Blu-ray that we all know of right now in their next console. For the past 2 years Sony has been developing a new blue-violet laser that will allow for single layer disc sizes to be at 1TB and higher. Read speeds will be about 10-20X that of current maximums for Blu-ray.



zarx said:
Joelcool7 said:

as you can see Blu-ray is at least as important as digital right now. In Europe the picture is much better for Blu-ray

Looks like Blu-ray is tracking very similar to DVD



Vetteman94 said:
Actually Sony probably wont even put the Blu-ray that we all know of right now in their next console. For the past 2 years Sony has been developing a new blue-violet laser that will allow for single layer disc sizes to be at 1TB and higher. Read speeds will be about 10-20X that of current maximums for Blu-ray.

If they are developing a new medium, it'd be pretty stupid of them to put it in their next system. As expensive as the PS3 debuted at, they shouldn't be putting a new medium (from the sounds of it) in their next system unless they want the price to be sky high again like this gen. Isn't there Blu-ray discs now that are 50-100GB single layer now?



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MasterVG71782 said:
Vetteman94 said:
Actually Sony probably wont even put the Blu-ray that we all know of right now in their next console. For the past 2 years Sony has been developing a new blue-violet laser that will allow for single layer disc sizes to be at 1TB and higher. Read speeds will be about 10-20X that of current maximums for Blu-ray.

If they are developing a new medium, it'd be pretty stupid of them to put it in their next system. As expensive as the PS3 debuted at, they shouldn't be putting a new medium (from the sounds of it) in their next system unless they want the price to be sky high again like this gen. Isn't there Blu-ray discs now that are 50-100GB single layer now?

No,  the maximum that a single layer Blu-ray are about 33GB.  

And the cost isnt going to be that much as they are just expanding on current technology and its being co-developed with a major tech University in Japan.  



selnor said:
LivingMetal said:
selnor said:
PlaystaionGamer said:
i would laugh hard at how many xbox fans will be like 'blu ray is the best! look my xbox has bluray' after all the shade they threw at sony.. it would be interesting..


It wouldnt bother me. If they use it for games so be it. I still wont be buying bLU Ray films. I have 1080p films on Xbox Live. Al of them which are impossible to scratch or break. Wy would I go backwards in my technology just because its there.


Personally, I prefer the 5.1 and 7.1 uncompressed audio and the extras you'd find on an optical disc.  So having more content and higher quality audio going backwards in technology?  You must be humoring yourself.

So Id have to spend more money eitherr renting or buying a Bluray, than what I'm currently doing without the need of a  shop? Without the need to store films? 
Also lately Zunes films have been getting exclusive content like certain Makings, deleted scenes Etc. It tells you on Zune MArketplace when a film has exclusive Zune bonus features not found on the DVD or Bluray. 

Going from the future of tecnology to yesterdays Disc format is backwards. The future will be eavily streaming and downloading, its just a matter of time. So yes Id be going backwards. As I hhave adopted tommorrow early. :)

As to me I 'd rather have the choice of both , Bluray doesn't preclude  streaming so if i want i can stream a movie or in the case of genres that i like to collect ie music  and anime  I can buy the bluray  ,Sony had a vested interest in Bluray it owns sony pictures and was a co creator and used PS3 as a vehicle for Bluray,  MS simply could put an updated HD dvd in their next gen console and that would cover increased storage demands without using Bluray at all and stream movies because they don't have anything to gain by turning the 720 or whatever into a bluray player



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Vetteman94 said:
Actually Sony probably wont even put the Blu-ray that we all know of right now in their next console. For the past 2 years Sony has been developing a new blue-violet laser that will allow for single layer disc sizes to be at 1TB and higher. Read speeds will be about 10-20X that of current maximums for Blu-ray.


Possible if they want to wait another 4 years and push 4K video I guess, but considering the slow uptake of Blu-Ray and the lack of 4K content plus the added cost I doubt they will go that route next gen. Likely they will just go for quad layer Blu-Ray 1.5 with 33GB layers. There is usally a ~5 year gap between unvailing  and public adoption of new disc formats, CD unvailed 1976 publically available 1982, DVD unvailed (took a long time for the spec to be finalised was first demonstrated back in 1993 as 2 sperate formats) 1995 (first released as a product 1996 in Japan) only really became viable late 1997 when it was propally launched in the USA, Blu-Ray unvailed 2000 spec finalised 2005. Blu-violet cassed discs don't even have a official name yet.



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zarx said:
Vetteman94 said:
Actually Sony probably wont even put the Blu-ray that we all know of right now in their next console. For the past 2 years Sony has been developing a new blue-violet laser that will allow for single layer disc sizes to be at 1TB and higher. Read speeds will be about 10-20X that of current maximums for Blu-ray.


Possible if they want to wait another 4 years and push 4K video I guess, but considering the slow uptake of Blu-Ray and the lack of 4K content plus the added cost I doubt they will go that route next gen. Likely they will just go for quad layer Blu-Ray 1.5 with 33GB layers. There is usally a ~5 year gap between unvailing  and public adoption of new disc formats, CD unvailed 1976 publically available 1982, DVD unvailed (took a long time for the spec to be finalised was first demonstrated back in 1993 as 2 sperate formats) 1995 (first released as a product 1996 in Japan) only really became viable late 1997 when it was propally launched in the USA, Blu-Ray unvailed 2000 spec finalised 2005. Blu-violet cassed discs don't even have a official name yet.

But this isnt a new format,  its essentially Blu-ray 2.0.  BTW Blu-rays use a Blue-Violet laser, in fact the new laser and Blu-rays laser are the same size wavelength, they are just doing different things with it to increase storage.

Plus 33GB layers were announced to be implemented almost 2 years ago, yet they still have not made it to production.  Mainly due to high failure rates in the recording process.  They cannot be relied on.  And all multi-layered discs beyong 2 layers to date have stayed in concept/experimental stage.  Sure it would be nice if Sony's 8 layer or Pioneer's 16 layer discs would be put to good use. But those will never go full production.  



Vetteman94 said:
zarx said:
Vetteman94 said:
Actually Sony probably wont even put the Blu-ray that we all know of right now in their next console. For the past 2 years Sony has been developing a new blue-violet laser that will allow for single layer disc sizes to be at 1TB and higher. Read speeds will be about 10-20X that of current maximums for Blu-ray.


Possible if they want to wait another 4 years and push 4K video I guess, but considering the slow uptake of Blu-Ray and the lack of 4K content plus the added cost I doubt they will go that route next gen. Likely they will just go for quad layer Blu-Ray 1.5 with 33GB layers. There is usally a ~5 year gap between unvailing  and public adoption of new disc formats, CD unvailed 1976 publically available 1982, DVD unvailed (took a long time for the spec to be finalised was first demonstrated back in 1993 as 2 sperate formats) 1995 (first released as a product 1996 in Japan) only really became viable late 1997 when it was propally launched in the USA, Blu-Ray unvailed 2000 spec finalised 2005. Blu-violet cassed discs don't even have a official name yet.

But this isnt a new format,  its essentially Blu-ray 2.0.  BTW Blu-rays use a Blue-Violet laser, in fact the new laser and Blu-rays laser are the same size wavelength, they are just doing different things with it to increase storage.

Plus 33GB layers were announced to be implemented almost 2 years ago, yet they still have not made it to production.  Mainly due to high failure rates in the recording process.  They cannot be relied on.  And all multi-layered discs beyong 2 layers to date have stayed in concept/experimental stage.  Sure it would be nice if Sony's 8 layer or Pioneer's 16 layer discs would be put to good use. But those will never go full production.  

hmm maybe I will have to read into it more, I thought they had released the 33GB per layer discs. But I do know that BDXL 100GB discs are available http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/04/panasonics-first-rewriteable-100gb-bd-re-xl-discs-launch-later/ but they haven't been adopted by the movie industry as they are not compatable with existing players like the PS3, Blu-Violet will face the same problem and won't be adopted until the industry wants 4K movies which wont be for at least 5 years and the public probably won't want it for another 10 if ever. It's not like games will be using more than 50GB any time soon anyway (well exept maybe JRPGs with 3+ hours of pre-rendered video).



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