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PDF said:
PDF said:
Kasz216 said:
I would like to see Herman Cain win, if only because I'm not sure any of the Republican candidates are appealing enough to beat Obama, even as poor a job as everyone thinks he's done.

EDIT: misread, thought it said " I'm not sure any of the OTHER Republican candidates are appealing enough to beat Obama"


I would disagree with him being the best shot at beating Obama.  His lack of being a politician is a double edge sword.  He doesn't know how to run a campaign.  He is a gaff machine.  He has a big lack of experience in the foreign policy field.

Romney as bland as some may see him is the best shot imo.  He does great in debates, is well polished.  Business background, can raise tons of money.  It took me a while to warm up the idea of him.  Strongly disliked him 4 years ago but at every debate he looks presidential.  That goes a long way with people.   He isn't a flavor of the month.  He is the best shot at re taking the white house.



Yeah, I think Romney has the best shot.  I just think Romney is Republican John Kerry. 

Too bland, too boring and looks too much like Frankenstein / That creepy Head/ beheaded body in reanimator.

 

If Obama loses i'd rather not have to deal with constant "RACISM" cries that would probably persist for the rest of, forever, since racism at this point is often a matter of subjectivness.

 



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Machina said:
There's a certain annoying inevitibility about Romney winning it, what with the way the race is being covered and the polling that's coming out right now. He's just so... ergh.

no real republican will vote for Romney which is why his numbers will never go higher than 25 to 30 %.  The only republicans that currently support him are North Eastern Republican who really are more democrat in their thinking.  Real Republicans should support Ron Paul as he is the only canidadte that will actually cut spending the way real republicans want it.  A vote for Perry or Romney is no different than a vote for Obama.  Will spend too much and will continue to let our young men and womed die in a useless desert.



PDF said:
ramses01 said:
Cain seems to be demolishing the competition in the debates, especially calling out the other candidates stupidity or attempts to obfuscate the issues.

Progressive taxes are evil incarnate. If anything the poor should be taxed at higher rates than the rich so that they can contribute their fair share. Sales tax is the fairest possible tax. Every person can decide how much in taxes they want to pay.


I wouldnt say he is demolishing people.  Up until now he has been left unchallenged.  I like Cain but I dont beleive he is the strongest debator.  Romney and Gengrich are.   He is about as strong as Paul is.





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PDF...you obviously are not well educated in today's political spectrum. There is very little difference between dems and repubs in the greater political universe. Ron Paul is far closer to what a real Republican is but keep in mind that a real Republican is closer to libertarian than the current party.

But just to make this clear...Romney and Perry are not Republicans.



PDF said:
scat398 said:
PDF...you obviously are not well educated in today's political spectrum. There is very little difference between dems and repubs in the greater political universe. Ron Paul is far closer to what a real Republican is but keep in mind that a real Republican is closer to libertarian than the current party.

But just to make this clear...Romney and Perry are not Republicans.


What world or time do you live in?  You offer no real evidence.  Sure you may argue Paul may better represent what a Republican used to represent but times and parties change.   When it comes to social issues Ron Paul Libertrian views are more similar to what a modern day democrat would want.  Economically he is vastly different.  

All I know is that I live in the real world with real people.  You look at what the modern day republican voters want and that represents what the party is and what it stands for.  They ideals they share fall more in common with Perry and Romney.  Hence why they have higher polling numbers.

I understand that if you look at the large politcal scale inlcuding socialism, communism, statist, facist.  It shows how close the two parties really are but in American politics we have no major support for those other extremes.  It causes the difference between the two parties to be magnified.  There are some real big differences between the ideals of the two parites.

If I am not educated then teach me,  what do you mean by todays political spectrum?


You want evidence? Look at the laws passed by both parties in the past 10 years:

  • Who passed more federal education requirements via No Child Left Behind? Who authored the bill? Who ratified it?
  • Who passed more federal health care via Medicare Part D? Who authored it? Who signed it into law?
  • Who passed the Patriot Act?

The reality is that the dichotomy between Obama and Bush isn't as far as you'd think. Obama is about as pro-war as Bush is, with a little bit more leftist economic policies. But the chasm is not as far as you'd think.

Go take a look at PoliticalCompass.org's chart of US & European leaders. They do a great job scoring all candidates on where they actually stand in opposition to one another. McCain was only about 1.5pts away from the center of the Democrat nominees.

Compatatively, then you have guys like Mike Gravel, Dennis Kucinich, and Ron Paul who are actual ideologues that are likely better representatives of what politics should be - something that isn't always center-right or right.



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Oh, shocker:

Herman Cain said on Piers Morgan's show last night that he is pro-choice.



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mrstickball said:
Oh, shocker:

Herman Cain said on Piers Morgan's show last night that he is pro-choice.

I think he needs to clarify what he was saying, but if you watch the video he said earlier that his personal beliefs are 100% pro life in any circumstance and that life begins at conception, but he appears to have taken a position of no government involvement in the matter.




Allfreedom99 said:
mrstickball said:
Oh, shocker:

Herman Cain said on Piers Morgan's show last night that he is pro-choice.

I think he needs to clarify what he was saying, but if you watch the video he said earlier that his personal beliefs are 100% pro life in any circumstance and that life begins at conception, but he appears to have taken a position of no government involvement in the matter.

Right. And if your stance is no government involvement, that'd qualify him as pro-choice.



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