I don't like threads like these in general as the few people who try to debate in a civilised manner gets drowned in an ocean of fanboytears.
It is sad that people, who I suppose are older than five, feel the need to downplay other games to feel good about their own games or themselves. It is sad to see people purposely making devilishly terrible comparisons, just to win an argument that they lost the moment they had to resort to such childish methods. It's pathetic how some people just can't accept that their opinion isn't law, that not everyone likes or prefers the same things that they do. It's embarassing how some people instead of admitting being wrong - when they obviously are - goes into a state of denial where they use their shield of pure insanity (not talking about the user here ) to deflect all logic and sense thrown at them.

Now, judging from the video in the OP and the very few comparisons that makes sense I'd say that both look and sound great but F4 does it a little bit better overall. The sound is more realistic and the environment looks better. That doesn't necessarily mean that I'd choose to get F4 over GT5 but the comparison was between graphics and sound and nothing else.

Both of these pics are from photo mode, which adds effects and smooth’s everything out. The two photos I snapped with my camera are from the in-game replay.

Here is another tidbit of information. GT5 will not let you take close up shots of standard cars.  It tells you to step back further to save a picture.  This does not happen when taking a picture of a premium car.  This is probably due to the PS2 quality visuals that look horrible up close.

Sure take a picture (not in Photo mode) of any standard car and compare it to the same care in Forza 4. (Which you can’t because you don’t have Forza 4), and you will see the same results. 

I still can't believe you think the standard cars are better than Forza 4 cars. 

I said 150 hours combined Forza 3 and GT5, and over 100 for prior GT's. I also said I've been on a track, and I drive a BMW, but never said BMW on the track.

Just stop trolling, everyone else stopped debating already. Everyone else is happy with the outcome.

ethomaz - You are right, some standard cars in GT5 look nice. Some actually look like up to PS3 game quality. However the gap from standard to premium is still large, even for the cases you list.

Can you just admit that Forza 4 is a good looking game, where the cars look roughly as good as the premium cars in GT5, and move on? These bs remarks demoralize the threads. GT5 is a great game, we all know that. Forza 4 is also a great game. Many will prefer the newer Forza, many like the structure of GT5 better. Some people just buy Forza 4 for Top Gear, some buy GT5 for Rally and NASCAR.

Both games are great, and this graphics debate has lost purpose. In that Pagani video I had to take a second look to see which game was Forza and which was GT, the difference aren't that major for premium cars.

Not better... close or on pair... Forza 4 has better cars than GT's standard but some looks close to Forza 4's cars .

I will take some standard replay pictures for you .

And in-game when Forza 4 dropped the quality over performance... the cars looks worst than GT5's standard.

Pure and utter BS. I'm loosing respect for you ethomaz. You haven't even played Forza 4.

Graphics in this game shocked me because I was surprised any console game this gen could play them. Most reviewers say Forza 4 looks on par or better then GT5.

This is just trolling, please stop. NO ONE is agreeing with you, everyone is telling you to let it go.

I have the one on the very right--http://www.carsdirect.com/2001/mitsubishi/mirage/specs

Well most of the cloverleafs here have a 25 or 30 MPH warning sign on them and on the 25 MPH one's I've gone 45 MPH and could in reality go slightly faster than that.

Here's a picture of ramp that I go around quite often at those speeds: http://g.co/maps/tcqmp

It's the one going from 694 to 169 south

Also I just tested it out and I can get 0-60 in about 8.5 seconds.

Christ ethomaz they look the same! 

And there are shadows in the cockpit of F4 now. I should know because I just raced last night in the cockpit mode.

GT5 is not in a different league in regards to F4...they are basically the same for both games premium cars.

Your crazy GT5 bias is really starting to get on my nerves.

Oh, those are bigger then the ones I have in Toronto Canada. 45mph is really good for a car with 111hp. In Forza 4 standards, you are probably at a high F or low E rating.

Type in 600 Evans Avenue, Toronto, Ontario, Canada. The on ramp just north of the red tag is the one I got a V6 Mustang to go 70km/h. However it was a test drive, in an auto. I could have gotten it up to 80km/h at least in a standard. However at 70km/h I did start to drift a bit, but I blaime the auto cause I can't pick my damn gear.

Next time I'm there I will see how fast my Acura TL (2003) can do it. I remember doing it at 70km/h before, but I wasn't able to max it because of traffic. I have an old 318i BMW too, but the engine is wearing out and I think if I try I might kill the car.

My Acura is modded a bit. My friends parents have a new BMW 328i. In a drag race I about tie it. So 0-100km/h in 8.1 seconds? My BMW probably does it in 10s. My old benz did it in 6.4s, I loved it... I want a nice car now............

Yeah I wish I had a nicer car as well! Don't get me wrong I really do like my current car (ions better than the POS I had before it) but I would absolutely love a Nissan 350 or 370Z. BTW I checked the 370Z out (not in real life of course ) and I think I like it better than the 350Z

My brother actually has a freaking minivan that can do 0-60 in about 6.2 seconds and the thing handles great for a van...which is just ridiculous when you think of it lol.