LOL that's Forza 3 compared to GT5.

Whoops. I could have sworn that was F4 I'll edit it out.

u need to accept forza is superior racer

The inclusion of "car bowling" in F4, despite funny, is quite "arcadey". I'm quite sure F4 can be as faithful as GT5 in modeling real life cars behaviour, after all PC racing sims have been doing it for years, and they started doing it on PCs less powerful than current gen consoles, so it must be a design choice to avoid excessive frustration to rookies.

Fixed. No, don't thank me, my duty!   

Who are you talking to?

You need to accept that Forza 4 is not totally superior. Both GT5 and F4 have their strong points it really just depends on which one you want more.

lol, had to reply to you. You actually debate, and don't just come in saying "I'm right, I'm right, I only played 1 of the two games, but I know everything."

Now onto other people....

ethomaz - I know the Forza 2 pic looked bad, that game released in 2007. Most games in 2007 didn't look anything like they do now. Someone else posted that Punto in Forza 4. It looks >>> better then the standard car in GT5.

pezus - I know I'm defending Forza, but no one ever defends 360 games, and this one time, the 360 game is noticably supperior. I never participate in Halo vs. Killzone or 360 vs. PS3 threads because they are stupid. However this is one game that is directly comparable, and it baffles me when I hear people say things like "the sound or physics in Forza 4 is a joke." I'm a huge racing fan, and put in more time to each game then most people have put into racing games in general. People who haven't played both games, and have a big pushy opion, should bud out, I want to put them in their place.

It's stupid, I know, just bugs me....

o_O.Q - Just a mega racing fan, who...wait for it...own both a PS3 and 360 :-O! So I guess people who own both consoles prefer Forza? *BABY FACE!*

WhiteDevil - the cars they race in Forza, even as base cars, are usually much better then most peoples real cars. Also tracks have even pavement, no potholes, and the turns are designed for optimal speed. If you want to test how accurate the games speed matches to real life, try a highway onramp. Now I haven't driven anything too fancy before. A few Benz V8's, a BMW 3 series, a couple muscle cars, a Corvette (base) and a CTS-V. A Corvette can take a turn A LOT fast then a regular car. Also I've pushed a mustang on an onramp before, getting the ass out just a little and cornering it as fast as I could. I did a turn in real life at about 50km, and a similar turn in Forza I also do at 50km.

The speeds are more realistic then you think, just remember Forza and GT5 - ideal conditions, no fear, and you don't feel imperfections in the road, which intimidate you, or make you loose grip.

The cars drive realistically. They don't feel too realistic, well because you never get the physics behind the wheel. Even force feedback isn't strong enough to mimic the pull a wheel can give you in real life.

yo_john - thanks for the link. Looks like Digital Foundry also prefer Forza, but not by much, and like I said, both have their advantages. GT5 looks better then I remembered, especially with shadows outside the car, but Forza 4 still wins IMHO, and no frame rate drops.

Alby_the_Wolf - PC was supperior.....last gen. There have been no spectacular racing SIM on PC as of lately and the last GTR was 2005. However when that released, it was king.

Really? I'm a fan of GT myself, but forza 4 is ahead graphically. The cars are made up of more polygons, the lighting is better, and the enviroments are more detailed. GT has "cardboard" trees in the environments xD

You know people in glass houses really shouldn't throw stones 

It's obvious, it's a different timezone in the cockpit compared to the outside, hence the night. Simulating realism.