You weren't really watching the video were you?

1) Your video showing the whole thing, started with the guy on the ground, again NOT THE WHOLE THING.  The "Whole thing" started with protestors lighting things on fire and throwing rocks and M80's at the police.  If thorwing explosives at the police isn't reason for a nonlethal response... exactly what is?

http://news.yahoo.com/police-fire-tear-gas-protesters-throw-rocks-044055972.html

2) If you watch the video you'd not there are still people running while this is going on.  How the fuck are the cops supposed to know the intentions of people who were just recently throwing rocks and explosives at them?

3) They weren't using lethal force?

Kas, that's just normal ritual in Oakland ;) Oakland is like 2 notches above Detroit.

It is interesting I was able to find footage after the Super Bowl riots where the mob set cars on fire.  Raze, if you can find any videos of Occupy Oakland setting fire to anything, please post it.  I found not.  What I did see, as far as the events go, is this:

* Protesters stay in park, order to leave.

* Protesters don't leave and police forcefully evict them.

* Protesters regroup and march.  Somewhere along the line, tear gas was used and the group was order to disperse.

If there were any rocks or M80s throw, which no video has appeared yet to happen, it happened somewhere in here, likely after the going into the mark to forcefully evict. There is video evidence paint was possibly thrown.  But someone find video of rocks being thrown.  If the said rocks were thrown while on the street, it will be interesting to find out what Oakland streets readily have rocks on them.

Anyhow, it looks like the mayor has been concerned and now has extended offers for them to return.  Mixed messages whether they can stay in the park or not.

Your from New York right?  There are tons of rocks on the streets of NY.  Can't see Oakland being any better.  Rocks/derbies/paint cans it's all shit being thrown at police first.

Shoot, it's not like anyone is denying the protestors escalated it.

Things get even worse based on eye witness events... quoting a progressive paper here mind you.

Videos taken on-the-ground show protesters chanting “Who are you protecting?” to the police – straying from the Occupy cause while advancing the Grant cause. By the evening, tensions escalated further as demonstrators brought down a barricade fence – prompting the police to act defensive. Tear gas and baton rounds were used in attempt of separating the crowd. Questions remain whether rubber bullets were used; the Oakland Police Department denies it – however other police departments were involved on Tuesday. By the end of the night, more than 100 arrests had been made.

The most unsettling casualty of the riot was that of an Iraq War veteran, Scott Olsen. The veteran was struck by the police and left to the ground.  (Though later the actually state what caused his injuries were the teargas canisters exploding.  Which they do.   So it wasn't even rubber bullets or bean bag guns or anything, it was the most mundane of them all, the tear gas canister..

http://www.claremontportside.com/?p=6091

So we've got reports of rocks and M80's thrown at the police, and other reporst of the barricades being brought down... none of which you've actually bothered to read because you wanted to rush to judgement against the police, which people ALWAYS do.

I mean shoot, you don't see this kind of stuff happen in Occupy Las Vegas... because they actually know how to protest smartly without getting violent.

You talk to the organizers there and you see they actually do shit the right way, by informing the police, getting permits, and doing shit in general the right way...

in an area that's likely a lot worse then Oakland.

If most of the groups weren't headed by such hardcore anarchists (and yes there always are leaders even in a mob) shit like this wouldn't happen.

The large difference is, the people here know what they're doing.  Though probaby because the people here have run protests before, and smart ones that have worked and i've been a part of.

http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/15896734/occupy-las-vegas-working-to-avoid-problems

I mean shoot, if anything the police in general LOVE the Occupy Wallstreet protesters when they aren't intentionally provoking them.   Why?  Money man, you know what kinda overtime these guys are probably rarking in?  Largely just to stand there and watch the protestors?

They're going out of their way to avoid bankrupting local buisnesses as well unlike some of the other protesters.

Another sign of how the "99%ers" are being held-down by "The Man" and it isn't their own self-destructive behaviour that is causing their problems:

http://www.punditpress.com/2011/10/occupy-madison-loses-permit-because.html

Occupy Madison has temporarily been denied an extension in their protesting permit because members of the movement violated "public health and safety conditions." ... City officials cited several specific reasons for their decision. The most notable was repeated complains from a nearby hotel, which stated that protesters were "publicly masturbating" in full view of passersby.

I couldn't possibly understand why these protestors couldn't get or hold high paying jobs

Me either. I have a few openings around the house it sounds like they'd be perfect for.

I have looked into it further, and can only conclude that Oakland is one messed up community.  The community ended up rioting after the Raiders lost the Super Bowl last decade, setting cars on fire.  There is a reason the police are in riot gear and have that, it is because of a stupid feedback loop going on, with a community out of control, police going military and then this causing things to spiral.  And there isn't any video of the protesters throwing anything but paint, but there were reports, from the pro-Occupy side (I found later) that did report there were some throwing stuff.  It was a small minority, but enough to cause the police to go off.

I will say, as for anarchy, real anarchists who are fully against coersion don't go into violence, and don't preach it at all.  What you have on the other side are people prone to violence, driven by anger and hate, ready to go off.  Then you have the police escalate their response and preparation, and it is a mess.

As you said, other areas aren't having problems with the protesters.  I would say that what is going on is exposing the communities as a whole.

Kas, you ever been to Oakland? It's pretty nasty, and that's coming from someone who used to teach in Newark, NJ.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_of_Newton

Throughout the episode, the words on the Devil's orange shirt change. The five different shirts read:
HELL IS A SUMMER FESTIVAL
HELL IS A CITY MUCH LIKE NEWARK

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If only I could find the image of the shirt with the Newark image on it.