By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Politics - Wall Street Protests

Kasz216 on 29 October 2011
Raze said:
Kasz216 said:

I mean shoot, you don't see this kind of stuff happen in Occupy Las Vegas... because they actually know how to protest smartly without getting violent.

You talk to the organizers there and you see they actually do shit the right way, by informing the police, getting permits, and doing shit in general the right way...

in an area that's likely a lot worse then Oakland.


If most of the groups weren't headed by such hardcore anarchists (and yes there always are leaders even in a mob) shit like this wouldn't happen.

The large difference is, the people here know what they're doing.  Though probaby because the people here have run protests before, and smart ones that have worked and i've been a part of.

http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/15896734/occupy-las-vegas-working-to-avoid-problems

I mean shoot, if anything the police in general LOVE the Occupy Wallstreet protesters when they aren't intentionally provoking them.   Why?  Money man, you know what kinda overtime these guys are probably rarking in?  Largely just to stand there and watch the protestors?


They're going out of their way to avoid bankrupting local buisnesses as well unlike some of the other protesters.

Kas, you ever been to Oakland? It's pretty nasty, and that's coming from someone who used to teach in Newark, NJ.

Las Vegas has the highest unemployment rate in the country for a city with over 1 million people.



Around the Network
Kasz216 on 29 October 2011
Raze said:
Kasz216 said:

I mean shoot, you don't see this kind of stuff happen in Occupy Las Vegas... because they actually know how to protest smartly without getting violent.

You talk to the organizers there and you see they actually do shit the right way, by informing the police, getting permits, and doing shit in general the right way...

in an area that's likely a lot worse then Oakland.


If most of the groups weren't headed by such hardcore anarchists (and yes there always are leaders even in a mob) shit like this wouldn't happen.

The large difference is, the people here know what they're doing.  Though probaby because the people here have run protests before, and smart ones that have worked and i've been a part of.

http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/15896734/occupy-las-vegas-working-to-avoid-problems

I mean shoot, if anything the police in general LOVE the Occupy Wallstreet protesters when they aren't intentionally provoking them.   Why?  Money man, you know what kinda overtime these guys are probably rarking in?  Largely just to stand there and watch the protestors?


They're going out of their way to avoid bankrupting local buisnesses as well unlike some of the other protesters.

Kas, you ever been to Oakland? It's pretty nasty, and that's coming from someone who used to teach in Newark, NJ.

Las Vegas has the highest unemployment rate in the country for a city with over 1 million people... though if it's bad as you say, i can only imagine how many rocks are lieing around.



richardhutnik on 31 October 2011
Kasz216 said:
Raze said:
Kasz216 said:

I mean shoot, you don't see this kind of stuff happen in Occupy Las Vegas... because they actually know how to protest smartly without getting violent.

You talk to the organizers there and you see they actually do shit the right way, by informing the police, getting permits, and doing shit in general the right way...

in an area that's likely a lot worse then Oakland.


If most of the groups weren't headed by such hardcore anarchists (and yes there always are leaders even in a mob) shit like this wouldn't happen.

The large difference is, the people here know what they're doing.  Though probaby because the people here have run protests before, and smart ones that have worked and i've been a part of.

http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/15896734/occupy-las-vegas-working-to-avoid-problems

I mean shoot, if anything the police in general LOVE the Occupy Wallstreet protesters when they aren't intentionally provoking them.   Why?  Money man, you know what kinda overtime these guys are probably rarking in?  Largely just to stand there and watch the protestors?


They're going out of their way to avoid bankrupting local buisnesses as well unlike some of the other protesters.

Kas, you ever been to Oakland? It's pretty nasty, and that's coming from someone who used to teach in Newark, NJ.

Las Vegas has the highest unemployment rate in the country for a city with over 1 million people... though if it's bad as you say, i can only imagine how many rocks are lieing around.

They also haven't had a cultural history of unrest and tension between the city members with authority and among themselves.  Oakland rioted after they lost a Superbowl.  I would say, if things were to actually head towards sanity, people in the city needs to stop and pause and wonder what is going on there. I know in Poughkeepsie, which also has a lot of issues, the Occupy here is pretty uneventful in the risk of riots.  It is quietly in a park now, occupying.  So, I would say how a city responds to Occupy is a sign of the culture more than anything else.

On the whole, there are likely places far worse (long term) in Oakland, than there are in Las Vegas.  Very high unemployment in spots. 



VGhippy on 31 October 2011
Laurel Aitken said:
 

Right nowthe people considered poor in the USA are people with an anual income of less than $22,350 USD. That's not poor in most of the rest of the world!!!


Just to be fair that is the income for a family of 4 to be considered poor by the government, not individuals :P

Edit: For a sole individual in their own household it is under 11k

 

source: http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/11poverty.shtml



HappySqurriel on 31 October 2011
VGhippy said:
Laurel Aitken said:
 

Right nowthe people considered poor in the USA are people with an anual income of less than $22,350 USD. That's not poor in most of the rest of the world!!!


Just to be fair that is the income for a family of 4 to be considered poor by the government, not individuals :P

Edit: For a sole individual in their own household it is under 11k

 

source: http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/11poverty.shtml

Being that McDonalds' starting wage is $8.30/hour, which works out to being (roughly) $16,500/year for a full time employee, how many individuals really earn less than $11,000/year unless they choose to? While it is not really an ideal thing, when I was younger the people I knew who didn't go to school often had 2 jobs (working in the range of 55+ hours per week) at a higher wage than that (this would be about 10 years ago), so I personally find it difficult to believe than many people are forced to live off of that little money



Around the Network
Raze on 31 October 2011
HappySqurriel said:
VGhippy said:
Laurel Aitken said:
 

Right nowthe people considered poor in the USA are people with an anual income of less than $22,350 USD. That's not poor in most of the rest of the world!!!


Just to be fair that is the income for a family of 4 to be considered poor by the government, not individuals :P

Edit: For a sole individual in their own household it is under 11k

 

source: http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/11poverty.shtml

Being that McDonalds' starting wage is $8.30/hour, which works out to being (roughly) $16,500/year for a full time employee, how many individuals really earn less than $11,000/year unless they choose to? While it is not really an ideal thing, when I was younger the people I knew who didn't go to school often had 2 jobs (working in the range of 55+ hours per week) at a higher wage than that (this would be about 10 years ago), so I personally find it difficult to believe than many people are forced to live off of that little money

Not all McDonalds start at that, it varies by franchise decision, there are quite a few that start at minimum wage, $7.25/hr.



The Carnival of Shadows - Folk Punk from Asbury Park, New Jersey

http://www.thecarnivalofshadows.com 


Kasz216 on 31 October 2011
richardhutnik said:
Kasz216 said:
Raze said:
Kasz216 said:

I mean shoot, you don't see this kind of stuff happen in Occupy Las Vegas... because they actually know how to protest smartly without getting violent.

You talk to the organizers there and you see they actually do shit the right way, by informing the police, getting permits, and doing shit in general the right way...

in an area that's likely a lot worse then Oakland.


If most of the groups weren't headed by such hardcore anarchists (and yes there always are leaders even in a mob) shit like this wouldn't happen.

The large difference is, the people here know what they're doing.  Though probaby because the people here have run protests before, and smart ones that have worked and i've been a part of.

http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/15896734/occupy-las-vegas-working-to-avoid-problems

I mean shoot, if anything the police in general LOVE the Occupy Wallstreet protesters when they aren't intentionally provoking them.   Why?  Money man, you know what kinda overtime these guys are probably rarking in?  Largely just to stand there and watch the protestors?


They're going out of their way to avoid bankrupting local buisnesses as well unlike some of the other protesters.

Kas, you ever been to Oakland? It's pretty nasty, and that's coming from someone who used to teach in Newark, NJ.

Las Vegas has the highest unemployment rate in the country for a city with over 1 million people... though if it's bad as you say, i can only imagine how many rocks are lieing around.

They also haven't had a cultural history of unrest and tension between the city members with authority and among themselves.  Oakland rioted after they lost a Superbowl.  I would say, if things were to actually head towards sanity, people in the city needs to stop and pause and wonder what is going on there. I know in Poughkeepsie, which also has a lot of issues, the Occupy here is pretty uneventful in the risk of riots.  It is quietly in a park now, occupying.  So, I would say how a city responds to Occupy is a sign of the culture more than anything else.

On the whole, there are likely places far worse (long term) in Oakland, than there are in Las Vegas.  Very high unemployment in spots. 

Las Vegas has very high unemployment everywhere. 

I don't think the city responded any differently to Occupy then any other city would have... it's just what they were responding to was different.

 



Kasz216 on 31 October 2011
Raze said:
HappySqurriel said:
VGhippy said:
Laurel Aitken said:
 

Right nowthe people considered poor in the USA are people with an anual income of less than $22,350 USD. That's not poor in most of the rest of the world!!!


Just to be fair that is the income for a family of 4 to be considered poor by the government, not individuals :P

Edit: For a sole individual in their own household it is under 11k

 

source: http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/11poverty.shtml

Being that McDonalds' starting wage is $8.30/hour, which works out to being (roughly) $16,500/year for a full time employee, how many individuals really earn less than $11,000/year unless they choose to? While it is not really an ideal thing, when I was younger the people I knew who didn't go to school often had 2 jobs (working in the range of 55+ hours per week) at a higher wage than that (this would be about 10 years ago), so I personally find it difficult to believe than many people are forced to live off of that little money

Not all McDonalds start at that, it varies by franchise decision, there are quite a few that start at minimum wage, $7.25/hr.

Which is like... 15,000 a year.

You should see what they pay a Mcdonalds employee in North Dakota though.  It's crazy.



HappySqurriel on 31 October 2011
Raze said:
HappySqurriel said:
VGhippy said:
Laurel Aitken said:
 

Right nowthe people considered poor in the USA are people with an anual income of less than $22,350 USD. That's not poor in most of the rest of the world!!!


Just to be fair that is the income for a family of 4 to be considered poor by the government, not individuals :P

Edit: For a sole individual in their own household it is under 11k

 

source: http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/11poverty.shtml

Being that McDonalds' starting wage is $8.30/hour, which works out to being (roughly) $16,500/year for a full time employee, how many individuals really earn less than $11,000/year unless they choose to? While it is not really an ideal thing, when I was younger the people I knew who didn't go to school often had 2 jobs (working in the range of 55+ hours per week) at a higher wage than that (this would be about 10 years ago), so I personally find it difficult to believe than many people are forced to live off of that little money

Not all McDonalds start at that, it varies by franchise decision, there are quite a few that start at minimum wage, $7.25/hr.

The specific starting wage doesn't really matter, my point was that most companies that are demonized because of how poorly they pay will provide an income higher than the poverty line (if you work full time) as a starting wage. With this in mind, it becomes difficult to believe that many people (outside of really bad regions like Detroit) are living on less than the poverty line unless they are choosing to (on some level).



Kasz216 on 31 October 2011
Raze said:
HappySqurriel said:
VGhippy said:
Laurel Aitken said:
 

Right nowthe people considered poor in the USA are people with an anual income of less than $22,350 USD. That's not poor in most of the rest of the world!!!


Just to be fair that is the income for a family of 4 to be considered poor by the government, not individuals :P

Edit: For a sole individual in their own household it is under 11k

 

source: http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/11poverty.shtml

Being that McDonalds' starting wage is $8.30/hour, which works out to being (roughly) $16,500/year for a full time employee, how many individuals really earn less than $11,000/year unless they choose to? While it is not really an ideal thing, when I was younger the people I knew who didn't go to school often had 2 jobs (working in the range of 55+ hours per week) at a higher wage than that (this would be about 10 years ago), so I personally find it difficult to believe than many people are forced to live off of that little money

Not all McDonalds start at that, it varies by franchise decision, there are quite a few that start at minimum wage, $7.25/hr.

Which is like... 15,000 a year.  Still over the poverty guidleines.

You should see what they pay a Mcdonalds employee in North Dakota though.  It's crazy.