Read what i've been writing. If you have a bully who's just out there to bully you, and no teacher or anyone in authority will come to your aid, you have no recourse but violence against the bully. If you believe your foe cannot be bought, reasoned, or negotiated with, then you will choose to fight even if it means getting your ass kicked over and over again.

Now this may be due to problems of communication, but that's how it will be

Where do you get your history from? This is absurd in its entirety.

1) Jews, in the 1930's and before, were less than 10% of the entire population. Hell, there were more Christians Arabs than Jews.

2) Jews increased by millions in a manner of a few years ALL from immigration from Europe. AFTER 1948 it had another big increase of Jews from Arab lands.

3) Arabs only increased by normal population growth. How else would the population base go from 90% Arab and 10% Jewish to 55% Arab and 45% Jewish in less than 5 years?

4) The Stern Gang and Irgun were the reason for most of the bloodshed pre-1948. They are the reason the British pulled out as the British were under constant attack from them, not Arabs. They were the original terrorists in the region. The Arabs learned these tactics from them, as it worked in removing the British and establishing Israel. They bombed hotels, homes, kidnappings, and the slaughter of an entire village Old Testament style including all animals; look up Deir Yassin. Additionally, most of the Prime Ministers and controlling government officials were once leaders or part of these gangs.

However what matters is not what happened then but what's now. Now you have an advanced and very large military and government supporting a terrorist enclave of settlers in the continued illegal expansion of Jewish homes on Arab lands for the sole purpose of pushing out the Palestinians and preventing any form of peace. The Arabs have no reason to vocally support a Jewish state while their homes are still under direct attack.

Its amazing the amount of historical fallacy that is presented in this thread.

Islamic world was the far different historically than it is now. Studying Jewish history itself would show this as there have only been two non-Jewish states the Jews have ever lived in where they were treated equably and flourished. The US and the Islamic world (pre-1800's), specifically Spain under Muslim control.

Except the vast majority aren't from Europe.

The vast majority of Jews living in Israel now were born there.

Their Parents and Grandparents may have moved there.... but 70% of the Jews who live in Israel (who are 70% of the population) were born there.

So 70% of the Jews do have a historical right to be there through birth.  

What percentage of Palestinians in Hamas and Gaza do you think were born within Israel's borders?  Keep in mind these people have been out of there for like... 40+ years.

By your own words "very important in these matters, because if a population leaves a certain land, they no longer have any right to it"

The Palestinians have left en masse from the borders that make up the state of Israel.  So according to your arguement, they have no right to it.

The few Palestinians that stay (Something a little less then 20% of the population once you count out other arabs) are not a majority, nor ar they supressed having all the equal rights of a regular Israeli citizen.

Your own arguement is defeated by your own parameters.   (Though historical claim is dumb no matter who argues it.)

If you consider being subject to fits of antisemitic violence and persecution to be equitable treatment, then sure. Al-Andalus was certainly tolerant relative to the rest of medieval Europe, as I said, but I can't pretend that I find Islamic treatment of dhimmis to be equitable in any meaningful sense of the word; it was only less horrible, generally speaking, but still patently discriminatory. And besides this systematic discrimination, the tolerant "utopia" of Al-Andalus also had its bouts of fierce persecution against non-Muslims and particularly the Jews, especially under the Almohads.

So, yes, good for their time, but in no way good.

And there were, right up until the Jews had enough of the Arabs attacking them and beat the shit out of them. The idea that the Jews should have ever just laid down their arms over the last 60+ years and trusted the Arabs not to try and slaughter them this time is utterly risible, and it's based on nothing more than adolescent left-wing ideas about how the world works and/or the desire to see those fucking kikes finally get what they deserve.

Since you are a known lefty and keep insisting that most Jews have only been there for about 20 years now, I'll generously give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that your motivation is ignorance rather than malice.

40 years isn't a lot of time. Not enough to argue for continuity. And there's also the fact that we're actually witnessing the ethnic cleansing, which doesn't help Israel's cause.

holly wood is owned by jews, porn industry is owned by jews.

then their is the capitalist state of the usa which makes the media indirectly influenced by jews.

Thank God outside of Spain some people have a neutral vision of Al-Andalus. Here in Spain, the politically correct vision is to consider it some type of Utopia, where all three religions lived in peace and harmony. That's why we don't have any synagogue or church of the muslim taifas.