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Forums - Sales Discussion - Xbox 360 Vs. Playstation 3 2012 - *February* Update

Argh_College on 13 January 2012
Seece said:
psrock said:
People, MS already told us how many they shipped. The problem is a lot of those shipments are haven't been sold yet.

Why are you so arrogant 0_o, they havn't told us how many they've shipped, they've said 66m+. They did exactly the last last CES with 50m, and shipped 800k above that.

Like I said, if they ship 66.5 that's 2.8m on shelves. Which is far too much.

360 is absolutely undertracked somewhere, overtracked tooo much on U.S, looks like VGC on holidays goes absolutely bad tracking sales.



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psrock on 13 January 2012
Seece said:
psrock said:
People, MS already told us how many they shipped. The problem is a lot of those shipments are haven't been sold yet.

Why are you so arrogant 0_o, they havn't told us how many they've shipped, they've said 66m+. They did exactly the last last CES with 50m, and shipped 800k above that.

Like I said, if they ship 66.5 that's 2.8m on shelves. Which is far too much.

While I agree 3 million is a lot, I still would understand why there is so many 360's out there. Everyone's expectation fell short, way short. MS expected huge numbers, and made sure they had enough. Even in 2010, when stock was an issue they sold over 1.7 million. Retailers ordered a lot but consumers did not show up. 

As as the Europe thing, seriously, come on. I think numbers are down over there too for all the consoles. 



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ethomaz on 13 January 2012

I think there a little of both...

- There are a lot 360 on shelves (near 2m)
- VGC is undertracking outside US and Japan (~500k)



Seece on 13 January 2012
psrock said:
Seece said:
psrock said:
People, MS already told us how many they shipped. The problem is a lot of those shipments are haven't been sold yet.

Why are you so arrogant 0_o, they havn't told us how many they've shipped, they've said 66m+. They did exactly the last last CES with 50m, and shipped 800k above that.

Like I said, if they ship 66.5 that's 2.8m on shelves. Which is far too much.

While I agree 3 million is a lot, I still would understand why there is so many 360's out there. Everyone's expectation fell short, way short. MS expected huge numbers, and made sure they had enough. Even in 2010, when stock was an issue they sold over 1.7 million. Retailers ordered a lot but consumers did not show up. 

As as the Europe thing, seriously, come on. I think numbers are down over there too for all the consoles. 

Oh I'm sure you would, why not bump it up to 5m and have the PS3 overtake the 360 in LTD sales?

MS don't ship all their stock the first week of December, they ship throughout the month, retailers wouldn't keep ordering through the month if sales were flat/down, not to the levels you expect anyway.

You may well be right on Europe, you can't strike it out yet though. MS did extensive advertising there this holiday so it is a possibility.

it's fair to say some overshipping has happened, but not to the extent of 3m.



 

Xenostar on 13 January 2012
Seece said:
psrock said:
People, MS already told us how many they shipped. The problem is a lot of those shipments are haven't been sold yet.

Why are you so arrogant 0_o, they havn't told us how many they've shipped, they've said 66m+. They did exactly the last last CES with 50m, and shipped 800k above that.

Like I said, if they ship 66.5 that's 2.8m on shelves. Which is far too much.


Even if 66m was shipped thats still 2M on shelves which also seems far to much. 



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Seece on 13 January 2012
ethomaz said:
I think there a little of both...

- There are a lot 360 on shelves (near 2m)
- VGC is undertracking outside US and Japan (~500k)


Very reasonable of you ethomaz, did someone spike your coffee?

I'd just like to say I put favours of PS3 winning the year at 60/40 in their favour. Don't want it to sound like I'm coming up with excuses as to how they'v won.



 

Carl on 13 January 2012

I posted this in another thread - 360 (and PS3) was overtracked in France for 2011.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=138765&page=1

That's one country where it can't be undertracked. Do we have data from any other EU countries?



                            

psrock on 13 January 2012
Seece said:
psrock said:
Seece said:
psrock said:
People, MS already told us how many they shipped. The problem is a lot of those shipments are haven't been sold yet.

Why are you so arrogant 0_o, they havn't told us how many they've shipped, they've said 66m+. They did exactly the last last CES with 50m, and shipped 800k above that.

Like I said, if they ship 66.5 that's 2.8m on shelves. Which is far too much.

While I agree 3 million is a lot, I still would understand why there is so many 360's out there. Everyone's expectation fell short, way short. MS expected huge numbers, and made sure they had enough. Even in 2010, when stock was an issue they sold over 1.7 million. Retailers ordered a lot but consumers did not show up. 

As as the Europe thing, seriously, come on. I think numbers are down over there too for all the consoles. 

Oh I'm sure you would, why not bump it up to 5m and have the PS3 overtake the 360 in LTD sales?

MS don't ship all their stock the first week of December, they ship throughout the month, retailers wouldn't keep ordering through the month if sales were flat/down, not to the levels you expect anyway.

You may well be right on Europe, you can't strike it out yet though. MS did extensive advertising there this holiday so it is a possibility.

it's fair to say some overshipping has happened, but not to the extent of 3m.

Let say the 360 is overtracked in Europe or others, We know the UK, it did well. But where would these numbers be? It's not France, Germany or Italy. Software numbers say otherwise. 



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ethomaz on 13 January 2012
Seece said:
ethomaz said:
I think there a little of both...

- There are a lot 360 on shelves (near 2m)
- VGC is undertracking outside US and Japan (~500k)


Very reasonable of you ethomaz, did someone spike your coffee?

I'd just like to say I put favours of PS3 winning the year at 60/40 in their favour. Don't want it to sound like I'm coming up with excuses as to how they'v won.

I'm reasonable... some times

Now I just want to wait the Nintendo graphs to know how much the consoles are under/over in Europe and Others. There are no way to know before that.



D-Joe on 13 January 2012
Carl2291 said:
I posted this in another thread - 360 (and PS3) was overtracked in France for 2011.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=138765&page=1

That's one country where it can't be undertracked. Do we have data from any other EU countries?

how much overtracked of both console?

but like i said,if it's undertracked,it's more likely in MEA...well no one cares

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