pezus said: Michael-5 said: But a PC isn't a video game console, and with the right program you can play ALL PS3/360/Wii games legally. So then is nothing exclusive? According to your logic, that's true right? What about when Windows 8 comes out? It's suppose to play all 360 games off 360 disks, and support XBL. Will 360 then have no exclusives? The only difference now to windows 8 is that if you play a PS3 or 360 game on PC, you don't get online play because your not playing on a Sony PS3 or MS 360 console. What programs are you talking about? And if Windows 8 will play 360 games, which I highly doubt, they will no longer be exclusive to the 360. That's the definition of the word exclusive. I think there's more reason to have a PS3/PC combo than a PS3/360 combo honestly. Everyone has a PC and people are always buying new PC's, it's not such a huge difference to go from a normal powered PC to a reasonable gaming PC.

My computer is 10 years old and barely able to play last gen games, most people I know don't have a gaming quality PC. Most either have an old PC, with integrated an graphics card, or a mac. You can buy a PC new for $300 now days and it will play some current gen games on min setting, but to play HD games you need a $500 PC or more. I know because I'm think about getting one, and I'm building it myself. If I go retail those prices would likely be $500 and $800 respectivly.

As for Playing PS3 games on PC. I dunno the program because my computer couldn't do it anyway, but I've seen a lot of comp sci students at my school play Wii/360/PS3 games on their laptops using console controllers. I've been told it's not much more difficult to run then a ROM on an emulator, you just need a blu-ray drive, and an adaptor for your controller.

As for Windows 8, this is hear say knowledge from the comp sci students. Not sure about next box games, but they tell me Kinect is coming for PC and Windows 8 will be able to play X-Box 360 games just as they are on 360 (using your account, and XBL and everything). MS is apparently trying to bridge PC and console gaming together and wants to make Games for Windows replace Steam.

A Gaming PC is so much, I think it's much more reasonable to buy a Wii/360/PS3. A 360 Arcade can be bought for $130 if you look during the holiday season (thats what I saw it for last year). Add the price of a Wii and a PS3, and you have a much larger selection of games for a cheaper price.

Anyway like I said, you can play all console games on PC, this is why I don't consider having a game retail on the PC making it any less of an exclusive.

Jay520 said: Michael-5 said: But a PC isn't a video game console, and with the right program you can play ALL PS3/360/Wii games legally. Really? Legally? Link PLEASE!

Why would it be illegal to play a console game on a PC when you own a physical copy of the console game? For the same reason emulation is legal (In Canada at least), playing a current gen console game you own on PC is also legal. There is no difference in law between past generation and current generation games.

Basically having a copy of the game run on PC is called a backup copy. Having a back up copy of a game you own is legal, but it's a loop hole companies do not appreciate because most people who use ROMs do not own an original copy of the game.

"The backup/archival copy exception is a very narrow limitation relating to a copy being made by the rightful owner of an authentic game to ensure he or she has one in the event of damage or destruction of the authentic" This is found on Nintendo's website directly under corperation/legal.

P.S. After 75 years, copyright to intellectual property expires. So Give Super Mario Bros. 49 more years and you can play it free without owning the original for back up purposes.

Blood_Tears said: Michael-5 said: Infinite Undisvocery is a lot like Tales of Vesperia. It's actually a pretty good game, a must have if you are into JRPG's. Gametrailers gives this game a just review of 7.7/10 as it did has some flaws (poor lip sync). Record of Agarest War 1 is exclusive, Zero is not. (checking VGC) Oh wait it was release on PS3 in Japan and Europe, but in Americas it's still 360 exclusive. LOL I know, most 360 exclusives, the good ones, either have a PC counterpart (Left 4 Dead, Conviction, Fable, Mass Effect 1) or have eventually gone MP (Oblivion, Bioshock, Lost Planet, etc). I'm just a nut for JRPG's, so even though the JRPG's I named are only good, not great, they are the reason I own a 360. That + Gears, Halo, and Forza Record of Agarest War was released in Europe via retail disc, and in NA via PSN download the same date as the 360 version. Also the Tales of Vesperia english fan translation is almost finished at  http://talesofvesperia.net/ so technically that won't be exclusive since PS3 is region free.

I didn't know Record of agarest War was available on PSN. I only knew it wasn't available over retail.

PS3 JRPG library is starting to improve with Tales of Xillia, Graces f, and the fan translation of Vesperia. Just saying right now, 360 does have a good selection of JRPG's.

Thanks for the info though.

ehh... Nevermind. It doesn't sound practical at all...

Jay520 said: ehh... Nevermind. It doesn't sound practical at all...

You loose out on online for PS3 games because PSN doesn't support playing PSN games on the PC, then again most PS3 exclusives are single player games only anyway. However Microsoft will allow you to play 360 games on Windows 8 online apparently.

I'm not arguing that you should play PS3/360/Wii games on PC. I'm only saying that just because the game is released on PC I still consider it a console exclusive, which is still, an exclusive.

Michael-5 said: Jay520 said: ehh... Nevermind. It doesn't sound practical at all... You loose out on online for PS3 games because PSN doesn't support playing PSN games on the PC, then again most PS3 exclusives are single player games only anyway. However Microsoft will allow you to play 360 games on Windows 8 online apparently. I'm not arguing that you should play PS3/360/Wii games on PC. I'm only saying that just because the game is released on PC I still consider it a console exclusive, which is still, an exclusive.

It depends on the context. If you're comparing the Wii and the PS3's library. It's fair to use a game like Assassin's Creed as an exclusive for the PS3 even though it's on other consoles. However, if you're comparing all consoles, then no, a game released on the PC & 360 is not exclusive. And by 'released', I mean the publisher actively released the game on PC with all the features of the 360 version. In your case, what were you comparing? The PS3 & the 360, right? I don't see a problem with using the word 'exclusive' to represent a game like SC: Conviction (was this the game you were talking about) as an exclusive over the PS3.

Well, that's my opinion at least.

Jay520 said: Michael-5 said: Jay520 said: ehh... Nevermind. It doesn't sound practical at all... You loose out on online for PS3 games because PSN doesn't support playing PSN games on the PC, then again most PS3 exclusives are single player games only anyway. However Microsoft will allow you to play 360 games on Windows 8 online apparently. I'm not arguing that you should play PS3/360/Wii games on PC. I'm only saying that just because the game is released on PC I still consider it a console exclusive, which is still, an exclusive. It depends on the context. If you're comparing the Wii and the PS3's library. It's fair to use a game like Assassin's Creed as an exclusive for the PS3 even though it's on other consoles. However, if you're comparing all consoles, then no, a game released on the PC & 360 is not exclusive. And by 'released', I mean the publisher actively released the game on PC with all the features of the 360 version. In your case, what were you comparing? The PS3 & the 360, right? I don't see a problem with using the word 'exclusive' to represent a game like SC: Conviction (was this the game you were talking about) as an exclusive over the PS3. Well, that's my opinion at least.

That's exactly how I feel, and the only reason this whole debate came up was because someone sad Gears 3 is the only 360 exclusive they like, when they neglected all the 360/PC gams as exclusive.

I'm only defending my claim that even though many exclusive 360 games are available for PC, they are still exclusives and should still be considered so. The PC gaming audience is different from the console audience, I would imagine tha most PC or consale gamers don't tap too much into the other, and from the people I know in real life, most of the time this is the case. (except for those who pirate games).

I agree with you 100%, I get into way too many stupid debates.

Michael-5 said: oniyide said: Michael-5 said: Infinite Undisvocery is a lot like Tales of Vesperia. It's actually a pretty good game, a must have if you are into JRPG's. Gametrailers gives this game a just review of 7.7/10 as it did has some flaws (poor lip sync). Record of Agarest War 1 is exclusive, Zero is not. (checking VGC) Oh wait it was release on PS3 in Japan and Europe, but in Americas it's still 360 exclusive. LOL I know, most 360 exclusives, the good ones, either have a PC counterpart (Left 4 Dead, Conviction, Fable, Mass Effect 1) or have eventually gone MP (Oblivion, Bioshock, Lost Planet, etc). I'm just a nut for JRPG's, so even though the JRPG's I named are only good, not great, they are the reason I own a 360. That + Gears, Halo, and Forza So Halo you're meh? interesting. I started to like Halo more after 2, mainly because that's when I started to play it MP, and because I only got to play 2 when I bought my 360. Im into JRPGs, but between PS3, Wii, DS and PSP i think im covered. Those JRPGS are not that good that im willing to shell out money for another console. Record of Agarest War 1 is NOT exclusive. Not even in US, it was released via PSN. you do know PS3 is region free?? So its nothing for me to take my aass to gun hill rd. in the Bronx and just buy a copy. ive played Hlo since the first one, im just fatigued with the series, there hasnt been that much changes over the years, but then again it probably does not need it. What JRPG's does Wii have? Tales of Symphonia 2 and Arc Rise Phantasia? lol. PS3 is also really lacking, but I guess the 360 exclusive JRPG's aren't your style. Black Friday 360's go really cheap, if you look $100 US is possible for an Arcade system, and that's all you need. I still use my 12GB system, with no memory issues at all, and I download DLC. As for Halo, oh well it's not your type. Still unusual to hear a JRPG fan go meh at all the JRPG's, and only like Gears. You have your own preferences, I can't argue with that, shocking as they are. Guess if you have a gaming capable PC, there is no point owning a 360, or a PS3 as well if you have the right program, but boxed PC/360 games have online so :P.

You must have missed the part where i have DS and PSP, lets not kid ourselves here, DS and PSP crap on any console on the market right now when it comes to JRPGS.  Dont believe me do the research, sheer numbers alone. ANd IMHO quality of JRPGS on portables are better than consoles, TWENY takes a crap on any thing SE has put out on consoles. Alot of RPG fans share my sentiments, not sure where you have been. So from what little i played , the reviews and what my own friends say, im not missing anything by not playing 360 RPGs

oniyide said: Michael-5 said: What JRPG's does Wii have? Tales of Symphonia 2 and Arc Rise Phantasia? lol. PS3 is also really lacking, but I guess the 360 exclusive JRPG's aren't your style. Black Friday 360's go really cheap, if you look $100 US is possible for an Arcade system, and that's all you need. I still use my 12GB system, with no memory issues at all, and I download DLC. As for Halo, oh well it's not your type. Still unusual to hear a JRPG fan go meh at all the JRPG's, and only like Gears. You have your own preferences, I can't argue with that, shocking as they are. Guess if you have a gaming capable PC, there is no point owning a 360, or a PS3 as well if you have the right program, but boxed PC/360 games have online so :P. You must have missed the part where i have DS and PSP, lets not kid ourselves here, DS and PSP crap on any console on the market right now when it comes to JRPGS.  Dont believe me do the research, sheer numbers alone. ANd IMHO quality of JRPGS on portables are better than consoles, TWENY takes a crap on any thing SE has put out on consoles. Alot of RPG fans share my sentiments, not sure where you have been. So from what little i played , the reviews and what my own friends say, im not missing anything by not playing 360 RPGs

That's 100% true. I can name so many AAA JRPG's on the DS and PSP, all of which are much better then any console.

However once in a while you want something AAA on a console, and none of the Tales of for DS have been localized so... :-/ 360 currently is the best for JRPG's on consoles, but PS3's future exclusive lineup looks to bridge that gap.

Not a fan of TWEWY, but Pokemon, Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, and a bunch of one offs like Fire Emblem, Front Mission, Dark Spire, Golden Sun, etc. DS rocks, and PSP isn't too shabby.

RolStoppable said: Michael-5 said: RolStoppable said: The point of exclusives is that you have to buy one specific machine to play them legally. An exclusive game is a selling point for a system, so if someone asks why they should buy a 360, then you better list actual exclusives. Just because you can't afford or don't want to buy a gaming PC doesn't mean that others can't, don't want to or don't have one already. Rules are set by objective standards, not your personal perception. But a PC isn't a video game console, and with the right program you can play ALL PS3/360/Wii games legally. So then is nothing exclusive? According to your logic, that's true right? What about when Windows 8 comes out? It's suppose to play all 360 games off 360 disks, and support XBL. Will 360 then have no exclusives? The only difference now to windows 8 is that if you play a PS3 or 360 game on PC, you don't get online play because your not playing on a Sony PS3 or MS 360 console. The only way it is legal to play console games on a PC is by owning actual copies of said games, but at that point you would own the respective console too (after all, it is cheaper to buy the console instead of a PC in order to play these games), so your point is majorly flawed. If 360 discs can be officially read by PCs, then yes, these games cease to be exclusive, because people don't have to buy an Xbox 360 anymore in order to play these games. 360 games that were later on ported to the PS3 also ceased to be exclusives, so why should we make an exception for 360/PC multiplatform games?

Why does a PC owner have to own a PS3/360 to play PS3/360 disks on the PC? I owned Wii games long before I owned a Wii (borrowed a Wii off a friend time to time).

A PC isn't a conventional gaming device. It's not a video game console. Everything is playable on PC, so being exclusive is almost meaningless if we count anything also being playable on PC as no longer exclusive. Just because some 360 exclusives see a PC version directly, doesn't mean that the 360 version is any less of a console exclusive.

I just don't see a difference between console exclusive and your exclusive.

I mean your logic, based off your own statement is flawed. If PC gamers have to own a PS3 or 360 to play those games anyway, why don't they just pick up an arcade 360 for dirt cheap? You yourself said that "It is cheaper to buy the console instead of a PC in order to play these games" so "at that point you would own the respective console too."

I see no difference between playing a PC version of a 360 exclusive or a 360 version of a 360 exclusive on your PC, and I furthur extend that into Wii and PS3's domain. Buying a console ensures quality, and garentees online service, that's the only entitlement you receve playing on consoles if we start considering PC as a gaming device.