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oniyide on 27 September 2011
Mr Khan said:
oniyide said:
Mr Khan said:
spurgeonryan said:
 


Well I am hoping it is as much as the others . Maybe Nintendo could give third parties a little more room for profit, or find another way to promote games like they did for teh 64 with the vhs videos that they would give a way if you called customer support.

It shouldn't be the new normal that the manufacturers have to coddle third parties. They've been spoiled by Sony and Microsoft, and thus can't compete in an environment where they aren't given a leg up

but it is the new normal, nothing we can do about it now, and Ninty is learning and adapting to this.  Moneyhatting is just the way it is and if your not doing it too some extent, you wont get as good support and the company that is, thats just buisness

There's a difference between moneyhatting to lock in exclusivity and having to provide all sorts of charity just to get them to publish on your platform at all. The former is a strategic business move, the latter is just creating a generation of whiny developers that bitch about not getting free advertising or having "only x amount of space to work in," and hasn't really benefitted anyone


this is true, but the Wii didnt help itself by being so much weaker than the HD counterparts.  Devs did have to jump through hoops to get some games up and running on wii, by either farming out to a lesser dev team. Or just making a completly different version of the game. As for free advertisment?? Are Sony and MS doing that? If they are, well hell, nothing you can do about that



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oni-link on 27 September 2011
archbrix said:
oni-link said:
archbrix said:
HappySqurriel said:


Being that cheap Chinese manufactured LCD ebook and media players with a similar size and resolution display were selling with a MSRP of (around) $100 last Christmas, and (at worst) you could say that the components it doesn't have that the Wii U controller would need would be roughly the same cost as the components these devices have that the Wii U controller doesn't need. With this in mind, why would the Wii U controller be prohibitively expensive when the Wii U launches some-time next year?

To be clear, I'm not trying to imply that the Wii U controller would be as cheap as a conventional controller, but I also don't see why it would be $50 more expensive to manufacture than the Wiimote and Nunchuck; and (therefore) why it would require the Wii U to sell for more than $300.

I completely agree.

By the time Wii U launches, the PS3 will be able to sell at $199 without a loss.  Wii U may have an elaborate controller, but it's not a blu-ray player.

Even if it's sold at a minor loss (very minor, if at all), I can't imagine they'd price it at more than $300, particularly after the 3DS price debacle.

1.  3DS says hello!!! (though with ~$100 to manufacture it may not be losing money)
2.  POWER7 CPU and ATI R770 GPU says otherwise; so mosdef this is gonna be a beast!!!  THQ even went so far as saying it'll be like Blu-Ray vs DVD.

1.  Uh, I'm aware of 3DS... which is the very reason I cited it as an example of why Nintendo has learned (hopefully) not to price their systems too high.

2.  POWER7 and R770 don't say otherwise; where did I say the Wii U wasn't going to perform great?  The point you're missing is that they were smart with choosing components that will offer optimal performance without necessarily having an exceedingly high price tag come 2012.  

I was actually refering to oniyide's quote that Nintendo wasn't willing to take a loss or that Wii-U was not going to be more powerful than the PS3.  I am still freaking out about the main console of the Wii U packing a modified POWER7 CPU and ATI R770 GPU.  I was half expecting them to come out with console using a POWER6 or POWER5 (360's I believe) architecture along with a boosted R520 GPU.  Now if we could only find out if they are still using 1TSRAM and how much of it!!!



oni-link on 27 September 2011

I predict Wii-U costing $349.99 at launch with 1 SKU!!! That's a lot less expensive than what the PS3 or my 360 cost during launch.  This will be a very interesting gen 8.



oniyide on 27 September 2011
oni-link said:
archbrix said:
oni-link said:
archbrix said:
HappySqurriel said:


Being that cheap Chinese manufactured LCD ebook and media players with a similar size and resolution display were selling with a MSRP of (around) $100 last Christmas, and (at worst) you could say that the components it doesn't have that the Wii U controller would need would be roughly the same cost as the components these devices have that the Wii U controller doesn't need. With this in mind, why would the Wii U controller be prohibitively expensive when the Wii U launches some-time next year?

To be clear, I'm not trying to imply that the Wii U controller would be as cheap as a conventional controller, but I also don't see why it would be $50 more expensive to manufacture than the Wiimote and Nunchuck; and (therefore) why it would require the Wii U to sell for more than $300.

I completely agree.

By the time Wii U launches, the PS3 will be able to sell at $199 without a loss.  Wii U may have an elaborate controller, but it's not a blu-ray player.

Even if it's sold at a minor loss (very minor, if at all), I can't imagine they'd price it at more than $300, particularly after the 3DS price debacle.

1.  3DS says hello!!! (though with ~$100 to manufacture it may not be losing money)
2.  POWER7 CPU and ATI R770 GPU says otherwise; so mosdef this is gonna be a beast!!!  THQ even went so far as saying it'll be like Blu-Ray vs DVD.

1.  Uh, I'm aware of 3DS... which is the very reason I cited it as an example of why Nintendo has learned (hopefully) not to price their systems too high.

2.  POWER7 and R770 don't say otherwise; where did I say the Wii U wasn't going to perform great?  The point you're missing is that they were smart with choosing components that will offer optimal performance without necessarily having an exceedingly high price tag come 2012.  

I was actually refering to oniyide's quote that Nintendo wasn't willing to take a loss or that Wii-U was not going to be more powerful than the PS3.  I am still freaking out about the main console of the Wii U packing a modified POWER7 CPU and ATI R770 GPU.  I was half expecting them to come out with console using a POWER6 or POWER5 (360's I believe) architecture along with a boosted R520 GPU.  Now if we could only find out if they are still using 1TSRAM and how much of it!!!

3DS doesnt say anything, because it did not LAUNCH at a loss. The price was dropped because people were not buying it for 250



archbrix on 27 September 2011
oni-link said:

I predict Wii-U costing $349.99 at launch with 1 SKU!!! That's a lot less expensive than what the PS3 or my 360 cost during launch.  This will be a very interesting gen 8.

It's certainly possible, but to make an accurate comparison (based on what we've heard about Wii U), the Xbox 360 launched with pricier tech in relation to 2005 than Wii U is launching with in relation to 2012.  While Xbox 360 sold at a pretty big loss, the "core" console launched for only $299, with DVD playback and no HDD.  That's why it's completely reasonable to me that Wii U (with no movie playback and no HDD), could very well launch at $299 if Nintendo were willing to take a small loss (as they currently are with 3DS).

$299 would already be the most expensive Nintendo system ever, but I agree that as high as $349 is a possibility.  Definitely not more than that, though.



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oni-link on 27 September 2011
oniyide said:
oni-link said:
archbrix said:
oni-link said:
archbrix said:
HappySqurriel said:


Being that cheap Chinese manufactured LCD ebook and media players with a similar size and resolution display were selling with a MSRP of (around) $100 last Christmas, and (at worst) you could say that the components it doesn't have that the Wii U controller would need would be roughly the same cost as the components these devices have that the Wii U controller doesn't need. With this in mind, why would the Wii U controller be prohibitively expensive when the Wii U launches some-time next year?

To be clear, I'm not trying to imply that the Wii U controller would be as cheap as a conventional controller, but I also don't see why it would be $50 more expensive to manufacture than the Wiimote and Nunchuck; and (therefore) why it would require the Wii U to sell for more than $300.

I completely agree.

By the time Wii U launches, the PS3 will be able to sell at $199 without a loss.  Wii U may have an elaborate controller, but it's not a blu-ray player.

Even if it's sold at a minor loss (very minor, if at all), I can't imagine they'd price it at more than $300, particularly after the 3DS price debacle.

1.  3DS says hello!!! (though with ~$100 to manufacture it may not be losing money)
2.  POWER7 CPU and ATI R770 GPU says otherwise; so mosdef this is gonna be a beast!!!  THQ even went so far as saying it'll be like Blu-Ray vs DVD.

1.  Uh, I'm aware of 3DS... which is the very reason I cited it as an example of why Nintendo has learned (hopefully) not to price their systems too high.

2.  POWER7 and R770 don't say otherwise; where did I say the Wii U wasn't going to perform great?  The point you're missing is that they were smart with choosing components that will offer optimal performance without necessarily having an exceedingly high price tag come 2012.  

I was actually refering to oniyide's quote that Nintendo wasn't willing to take a loss or that Wii-U was not going to be more powerful than the PS3.  I am still freaking out about the main console of the Wii U packing a modified POWER7 CPU and ATI R770 GPU.  I was half expecting them to come out with console using a POWER6 or POWER5 (360's I believe) architecture along with a boosted R520 GPU.  Now if we could only find out if they are still using 1TSRAM and how much of it!!!

3DS doesnt say anything, because it did not LAUNCH at a loss. The price was dropped because people were not buying it for 250

@oni

IT DOES SAY SOMETHING since Nintendo was willing to cut the 3DS price to a loss or almost a loss (depending on who you believe) shows that Nintendo, is willing to take a hit to make a system sell!!!



JEMC on 27 September 2011
archbrix said:
oni-link said:

I predict Wii-U costing $349.99 at launch with 1 SKU!!! That's a lot less expensive than what the PS3 or my 360 cost during launch.  This will be a very interesting gen 8.

It's certainly possible, but to make an accurate comparison (based on what we've heard about Wii U), the Xbox 360 launched with pricier tech in relation to 2005 than Wii U is launching with in relation to 2012.  While Xbox 360 sold at a pretty big loss, the "core" console launched for only $299, with DVD playback and no HDD.  That's why it's completely reasonable to me that Wii U (with no movie playback and no HDD), could very well launch at $299 if Nintendo were willing to take a small loss (as they currently are with 3DS).

$299 would already be the most expensive Nintendo system ever, but I agree that as high as $349 is a possibility.  Definitely not more than that, though.

I agree that 300-350 $/€ seems to be the logical spot. Let's hope they also include a game.



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oniyide on 27 September 2011
oni-link said:
oniyide said:
oni-link said:
archbrix said:
oni-link said:
archbrix said:
HappySqurriel said:


Being that cheap Chinese manufactured LCD ebook and media players with a similar size and resolution display were selling with a MSRP of (around) $100 last Christmas, and (at worst) you could say that the components it doesn't have that the Wii U controller would need would be roughly the same cost as the components these devices have that the Wii U controller doesn't need. With this in mind, why would the Wii U controller be prohibitively expensive when the Wii U launches some-time next year?

To be clear, I'm not trying to imply that the Wii U controller would be as cheap as a conventional controller, but I also don't see why it would be $50 more expensive to manufacture than the Wiimote and Nunchuck; and (therefore) why it would require the Wii U to sell for more than $300.

I completely agree.

By the time Wii U launches, the PS3 will be able to sell at $199 without a loss.  Wii U may have an elaborate controller, but it's not a blu-ray player.

Even if it's sold at a minor loss (very minor, if at all), I can't imagine they'd price it at more than $300, particularly after the 3DS price debacle.

1.  3DS says hello!!! (though with ~$100 to manufacture it may not be losing money)
2.  POWER7 CPU and ATI R770 GPU says otherwise; so mosdef this is gonna be a beast!!!  THQ even went so far as saying it'll be like Blu-Ray vs DVD.

1.  Uh, I'm aware of 3DS... which is the very reason I cited it as an example of why Nintendo has learned (hopefully) not to price their systems too high.

2.  POWER7 and R770 don't say otherwise; where did I say the Wii U wasn't going to perform great?  The point you're missing is that they were smart with choosing components that will offer optimal performance without necessarily having an exceedingly high price tag come 2012.  

I was actually refering to oniyide's quote that Nintendo wasn't willing to take a loss or that Wii-U was not going to be more powerful than the PS3.  I am still freaking out about the main console of the Wii U packing a modified POWER7 CPU and ATI R770 GPU.  I was half expecting them to come out with console using a POWER6 or POWER5 (360's I believe) architecture along with a boosted R520 GPU.  Now if we could only find out if they are still using 1TSRAM and how much of it!!!

3DS doesnt say anything, because it did not LAUNCH at a loss. The price was dropped because people were not buying it for 250

@oni

IT DOES SAY SOMETHING since Nintendo was willing to cut the 3DS price to a loss or almost a loss (depending on who you believe) shows that Nintendo, is willing to take a hit to make a system sell!!!

true, but the price did not drop until AFTER launch. Thats why i say they will not launch WiiU for a loss, now if it does not meet expectations and they do a price drop, that i can see happening



Jumpin on 27 September 2011
kitler53 said:
NightDragon83 said:
kitler53 said:

1. it damn well better be more powerful then the ps360 - it's coming out 6 years later.
2. it's real competition will be the ps4 and nexbox so how will it compare there??
3. the world's "graphic whores" by-and-large aren't nintendo fans so i don't foresee any jumping ship.

While this could be true today, don't forget that many of the Sony / M$ fanboys of today were the Nintendo / SEGA fanboys of yesteryear, when the "bit wars" were in their heyday and arguing about a system's polygon prowess was common schoolyard banter among the gaming nerds.

If the Wii U is truly the first leap into the "next generation" of consoles and not just some stop gap, you'll see alot of hardcore gamers picking up the Wii U just so they can brag about having the definitive looking console versions of the latest big titles.

only if the wii U is actually launched prior to any announcement of a ps4 or nexbox.  remember like a year back when everyone cheered that the 3DS was "finally going hardcore" with some "amazing graphics".  yeah, that lasted what, a few months and then the vita was announced?  i think the phrase goes something like "old hat".

i dunno, there is too much we don't know yet but i don't have a good feeling about the wii U's future.  it won't be any kind of a virtual boy bomb or anything mind you, just poor when compared to the wii's success.


No one is even talking about the Pita except on Internet sites. Besides, the 3DS took it's greatest series, Monster Hunter.



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oni-link on 27 September 2011
oniyide said:
oni-link said:
oniyide said:
oni-link said:
archbrix said:
oni-link said:
archbrix said:
HappySqurriel said:


Being that cheap Chinese manufactured LCD ebook and media players with a similar size and resolution display were selling with a MSRP of (around) $100 last Christmas, and (at worst) you could say that the components it doesn't have that the Wii U controller would need would be roughly the same cost as the components these devices have that the Wii U controller doesn't need. With this in mind, why would the Wii U controller be prohibitively expensive when the Wii U launches some-time next year?

To be clear, I'm not trying to imply that the Wii U controller would be as cheap as a conventional controller, but I also don't see why it would be $50 more expensive to manufacture than the Wiimote and Nunchuck; and (therefore) why it would require the Wii U to sell for more than $300.

I completely agree.

By the time Wii U launches, the PS3 will be able to sell at $199 without a loss.  Wii U may have an elaborate controller, but it's not a blu-ray player.

Even if it's sold at a minor loss (very minor, if at all), I can't imagine they'd price it at more than $300, particularly after the 3DS price debacle.

1.  3DS says hello!!! (though with ~$100 to manufacture it may not be losing money)
2.  POWER7 CPU and ATI R770 GPU says otherwise; so mosdef this is gonna be a beast!!!  THQ even went so far as saying it'll be like Blu-Ray vs DVD.

1.  Uh, I'm aware of 3DS... which is the very reason I cited it as an example of why Nintendo has learned (hopefully) not to price their systems too high.

2.  POWER7 and R770 don't say otherwise; where did I say the Wii U wasn't going to perform great?  The point you're missing is that they were smart with choosing components that will offer optimal performance without necessarily having an exceedingly high price tag come 2012.  

I was actually refering to oniyide's quote that Nintendo wasn't willing to take a loss or that Wii-U was not going to be more powerful than the PS3.  I am still freaking out about the main console of the Wii U packing a modified POWER7 CPU and ATI R770 GPU.  I was half expecting them to come out with console using a POWER6 or POWER5 (360's I believe) architecture along with a boosted R520 GPU.  Now if we could only find out if they are still using 1TSRAM and how much of it!!!

3DS doesnt say anything, because it did not LAUNCH at a loss. The price was dropped because people were not buying it for 250

@oni

IT DOES SAY SOMETHING since Nintendo was willing to cut the 3DS price to a loss or almost a loss (depending on who you believe) shows that Nintendo, is willing to take a hit to make a system sell!!!

true, but the price did not drop until AFTER launch. Thats why i say they will not launch WiiU for a loss, now if it does not meet expectations and they do a price drop, that i can see happening

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I think after overpricing the 3DS they maybe willing to take a loss initially to meet sales marks.  Whether that is going to be the case or not NO ONE KNOWS for sure.  I don't even know for sure if they are losing money on the 3DS right now as Iwata's translation during the board meeting was a bit skewed.  All we know is that the 3DS cost ~$100 to manufacture during launch.  Nintendo could have re-negotiated the price or parts and what they sold to retailers since then in order to meet numbers with the price cut.  AGAIN no one knows if this is the case.  All I know is that looking at the individual pieces of the Wii U; it seems like it might be at the very least 2-3x more powerful than the PS3 looking at the CPU and GPU combination. This along with the rumored 1 GB of some RAM (probably MoSys 1-TSRAM) makes the Wii-U a very competent system!!! My only concern is the CPU and GPU and RAM that might be running the tablet could be a throw away but we still do not know how the controller works in conjunction with the main system.

 

Price prediction is $349.99-$399.99  with the controller selling for $89.99-$129.99. It is  dependent if they are gonna have PICA200 running at 400mhz and dual (as opposed to single on 3DS) Nintendo/ARM 11 processors running at least 1Ghz (highest ARM11 is ever clocked at) or some throw away chips made from shady factories in china.