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sapphi_snake on 22 September 2011
Dr.Grass said:
sapphi_snake said:
Dr.Grass said:
That really sucks, but I'm with chocoloco on this one.

I wish there was a death penalty in my country. Would make a massive difference.

How so? Crime rates in the US are still very high compared to other countries which don't have the death penalty. Not to mention that this guy was essentially convicted based on circumstancial evidence and faulty witnesses. which is simply absurd.

Because there are people in my country that kill without considering the consequences. The prisons are full. Murderers walk after 15 years. There are gangs that kill who know they have members in jail, so fear of being caught falls through the floor.

I would suggest the same punishment for violent rapists.

Some people are behaviourally beyond repair. This, I believe, is very difficult to understand from someone from a 1st world country and especially Scandanavia or Germany where there are less murders in the whose country in an entire year than there are in certain neighbourhoods over a single weekend.

People would quickly change there tune if their daughter/wife/mother was raped and killed and the person(s) responsible are just waiting to walk the streets again.

I can understand your frustration, but people generally kill without considering the consiquences everywhere in the world. It's not limited to your country. The problem with the death penalty is that mistakes often happen in the legal system, and it's kinda something irreversible. And if a state where you say murder is wrong and illegal, it is somewhat hypocritical if the state has the right to do that.



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Player1x3 on 22 September 2011
sapphi_snake said:
chocoloco said:

What my problem with your thread is that you make it sound as if only Black Americans are put to death in the country and that all whites walk free. Blacks are obviously over represented.

Statistics: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/race-death-row-inmates-executed-1976

To suggest, that the fact he was only put to death because of his race is oversimplifying the situation an changing the arguement from the real issue at hand. Did this MAN commit murder or not. This man was put to death because he was an accussed of murder. The issue of this thread should not be about race since in the end he was just a man.

The main issue of this thread isn't whether or not he was guilty (since it's something we obviously can't determine), but whether or not the evidence used to convict him was adequate. You can't convict someone with circumstancial evidence and false testimonies. The question is: why did this happen? And why doesn't it happen in other cases (e.g. Casey Anthony).


Because a cop died. American justice system tends to get pretty pissed off if a cop gets killed on duty. I mean, dont you watch OZ ?



sapphi_snake on 22 September 2011
Player1x3 said:
sapphi_snake said:
chocoloco said:

What my problem with your thread is that you make it sound as if only Black Americans are put to death in the country and that all whites walk free. Blacks are obviously over represented.

Statistics: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/race-death-row-inmates-executed-1976

To suggest, that the fact he was only put to death because of his race is oversimplifying the situation an changing the arguement from the real issue at hand. Did this MAN commit murder or not. This man was put to death because he was an accussed of murder. The issue of this thread should not be about race since in the end he was just a man.

The main issue of this thread isn't whether or not he was guilty (since it's something we obviously can't determine), but whether or not the evidence used to convict him was adequate. You can't convict someone with circumstancial evidence and false testimonies. The question is: why did this happen? And why doesn't it happen in other cases (e.g. Casey Anthony).


Because a cop died. American justice system tends to get pretty pissed off if a cop gets killed on duty. I mean, dont you watch OZ ?

No, I have never seen Oz. The fact that the victim was a cop should make no difference, accordign to their justice system.



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HappySqurriel on 22 September 2011

After 34 witnesses testified in his trial, 7 black jurors and 5 white jurors found him guilty and sentenced him to death. His case has been seen by over a dozen different judges and his conviction was consistently upheld. Of the witnesses who have changed their stories, the majority claim that they couldn't positively identify Troy Davis as the murderer not that they saw someone else do it; and the other 25 witnesses still claim that Troy Davis is the shooter.

While you can argue whether he should be executed or not, based on readily available information it is understandable why his conviction is being upheld; and the questioning of the conviction seems to be based on half-truths that have been spread by the media.



leatherhat on 22 September 2011
sapphi_snake said:
Robbie2010 said:
At OP: the man was convicted by a jury that had 7 african americans on it so your pathetic attempt to make this a racial thing has failed.

Ummm, doesn't really change the fact that he was found guilty with basically no convincing evidence.


But it does prove this wasn't racially motivated, as you try to claim.



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Player1x3 on 22 September 2011
sapphi_snake said:
Player1x3 said:
sapphi_snake said:
chocoloco said:

What my problem with your thread is that you make it sound as if only Black Americans are put to death in the country and that all whites walk free. Blacks are obviously over represented.

Statistics: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/race-death-row-inmates-executed-1976

To suggest, that the fact he was only put to death because of his race is oversimplifying the situation an changing the arguement from the real issue at hand. Did this MAN commit murder or not. This man was put to death because he was an accussed of murder. The issue of this thread should not be about race since in the end he was just a man.

The main issue of this thread isn't whether or not he was guilty (since it's something we obviously can't determine), but whether or not the evidence used to convict him was adequate. You can't convict someone with circumstancial evidence and false testimonies. The question is: why did this happen? And why doesn't it happen in other cases (e.g. Casey Anthony).


Because a cop died. American justice system tends to get pretty pissed off if a cop gets killed on duty. I mean, dont you watch OZ ?

No, I have never seen Oz. The fact that the victim was a cop should make no difference, accordign to their justice system.

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MrBubbles on 22 September 2011

im inclined to side with the courts in this.



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fedfed on 22 September 2011

SHOCKING! THE WORLD ASK FOR LIBERATION AND TEHY KILLED HIM ANYWAY!
WHAT A JOKE THIS LAW SYSTEM!

LAUGHABLE! (NOT THAT THE REST OF THE WORLD IS BETTER -BUT AT LEAST IF SOMEONE IS PROVED INNOCENT THERE IS STILL TIME TO FREED HIM SINCE IS NOT BEEN "LEGALY HOMICIDE")



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steverhcp02 on 22 September 2011

To those claiming its his color dont dilute such a travesty and take focus away from the actual issue here. The reasons are the same as WM3. This is about protecting careers, advancing careers and pride. It happens to white people and black people.

Americans always just want "justice" it sickens me the claims the victims family are making about how they feel this will bring them peace. To those who are also as disgusted as me, focus on the case of James Anderson.

His family and this case should be receiving national coverage for the cut and dry conviction and calm civilized, human, evolved response of his family.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-09-14/justice/mississippi.hate.crime_1_death-penalty-white-teens-black-man?_s=PM:CRIME




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Allfreedom99 on 22 September 2011

The main thing I will add to this thread from my viewpoint.

If only circumstantial evidence can be presented then I believe the death penalty in this case should not be the result. In our legal system if there is reasonable doubt then the person should be considered innocent. I do however believe that from Circumstantial evidence one can make enough case in many circumstances to rightfully convict someone, but it should not be for the death penalty.

I do however support the death penalty in certain instances such as if a murder was committed (Especially in every case if a child was murdered), and if there is undeniable evidence that the person on trial committed that heinous crime with the intent of murder. These are my own views as I understand some will not share them.