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michael_stutzer on 20 September 2011
d21lewis said:
Zlejedi said:
d21lewis said:
Silver-Tiger said:
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Silver-Tiger said:
Christian973 said:

What mass market appeal does the Vita have in the west? none. It's going to have the same problem psp had. Vita in Japan is going to have trouble selling. That FFX HD port is still in development and i doubt it will move hardware like that gimmicky little deviants game. We've learned from the 3DS that games move hardware.


Call of Duty.

'nuff said.

Call Of Duty on a 5 inch screen?!?! yeh right dude. No one is gonna enjoy that. Try quickscoping on anything less than a 32 inch. Impossible. 

..except for the millions of people who cried after a second analog stick for games like...you guessed it, Call of Duty.

Not everyone can be a hardcore gamer, and PSVita isn't the platform the 1337-gamer who has a killratio of 100/1. It is a PORTABLE console. If you want to play the real CoD, you gonna play it on a PC/PS3/360 anyway. For everything else, there's the Vita.


But that's the thing.  The not hardcore gamer who is going to pay $250 for a portable version of Call of Duty?  It's an identity crisis.  The hardcore are going to go for the real version and the casual are going to think it's too expensive.  I'm sure there's a middle ground but the two extremes are going to have a hard time justifying the purchase.

They won't be buying PSV cod INSTEAD of home version. I can totally see some freeks buying it in addtion to PS3 version to be able to play it also outside of home.

That's the whole point of handheld console to bring you entertainment when you are outside of home not to replace it. You can clearly see it in popularity of handhelds in Japan where majority of people travel by train every day.


So me and the guy I quoted both got it wrong.  He said that the PSV isn't for the 1337 hardcore gamer.  I said it wasn't for the casual gamer.  You say it's for the hardcore gamer on the go.  I can see that.

I got SSF4 for the 3DS.  It's a very good recreation of the home console experience.  I wouldn't want to play it for competition (too many people use the touch screen to "cheat") but I use it to scratch my Street Fighter itch when I'm away from home.  I guess CoD on PSV can do the same for a certain segment of the COD audience.

 

*edit* One thing to keep in mind about Call of Duty is that the main draw is the online.  The PSV will support online and 3G but lets be real.  There is no way 3G is going to be able to support the CoD online experience.  People are going to have to have access to Wi FI to play Call of Duty in some way that resembles the home version.  Maybe a quick session at McDonalds or Starbucks or Books a Million or something?  But even then, you'll have to contend with people dropping out at inopportune times.  It's the nature of handheld gaming.  Or, people can just play at home where they have full access to online all of the time.  But if they're playing at home on their Wi Fi then why are they playing their portable?


Medal of Honor games on PSP sold very good. Online games were crowded and extremely fun, even with just one analog stick. With the power and the second stick of Vita I can see COD doing well.



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Alby_da_Wolf on 20 September 2011

Hey, I just figured out, not a killer app, but a nice possible niche to improve PSV sales: just in case Ninty have more second thoughts about 3DS design, adding one more screen and some more sticks, and selling a clumsy add-on to the owners of previous versions, Sony could design an interface to use PSV also as a 3DS screen+sticks add-on! An add-on that is also a complete stand-alone (competing) portable!

And I've got also a slogan ready for it: "PlayStation: cleaning up Nintendo's mess since 1994"

O-)



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thismeintiel on 20 September 2011
oni-link said:
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The 3ds storm??? The 3ds had a dismal launch, it had a forced price drop because it was selling so bad. It has an identity crisis and the worst add-on in history that needs an external battery. Like the wii U nintendo do not have a clue what direction they are going in. The 3d is useless and right now the games library is pathetic from 1st party. Monster hunter 4 has not been confirmed as a 3ds exclusive. I dont see why it wouldn't come on the vita anyways.

They have some killer 1st party franchises but still no mention of 90% of them.


The 3DS did not start as expected but his launch was not dismal. By the way it is going, the 3DS will be over 10 millions when the Vita is released everywhere. That will be a huge gap. I don't think a console has been able to fight back such a big gap in the history of gaming.

The DS was still selling well and you know that now with the same price, the 3DS is going to take all of this sales. It is going to sale millions worldwide in december with the massive blockbusters and the appeal.

The games are coming at the end of the year and newt year, the price has dropped, the holidays are coming. Vita will launch just when the 3DS will start to peak and will start doing awesome number.

Monster Hunter 4 will be at least a temporaru exclusive and that will hurt Vita a lot in Japan. PSP was able to survive in Japan based on the fact that they had the exclusivity of the portables versions. Vita does not have even that now.

There's 2 DSes sold per every 1 PSP sold - so if PSV can keep 10 milions diffrence for whole gen it will be a huge sucess ;)

Probably more than that.  I rarely see anyone bust out with a PSP compared to the regular DS.  N/E ways I expect a similar ratio with the 3DS and PSV in this coming handheld generation.  Especially, seeing the PSV is not mass market price!

You do realize the PSV is launching at the same price as the PSP, right?  If anything, going by price the ratio should be less.  It's an $80 difference this time, compared to a $100 difference last time.



 

oni-link on 21 September 2011
thismeintiel said:
oni-link said:
Zlejedi said:
Lucas-Rio said:
maverick40 said:
The 3ds storm??? The 3ds had a dismal launch, it had a forced price drop because it was selling so bad. It has an identity crisis and the worst add-on in history that needs an external battery. Like the wii U nintendo do not have a clue what direction they are going in. The 3d is useless and right now the games library is pathetic from 1st party. Monster hunter 4 has not been confirmed as a 3ds exclusive. I dont see why it wouldn't come on the vita anyways.

They have some killer 1st party franchises but still no mention of 90% of them.


The 3DS did not start as expected but his launch was not dismal. By the way it is going, the 3DS will be over 10 millions when the Vita is released everywhere. That will be a huge gap. I don't think a console has been able to fight back such a big gap in the history of gaming.

The DS was still selling well and you know that now with the same price, the 3DS is going to take all of this sales. It is going to sale millions worldwide in december with the massive blockbusters and the appeal.

The games are coming at the end of the year and newt year, the price has dropped, the holidays are coming. Vita will launch just when the 3DS will start to peak and will start doing awesome number.

Monster Hunter 4 will be at least a temporaru exclusive and that will hurt Vita a lot in Japan. PSP was able to survive in Japan based on the fact that they had the exclusivity of the portables versions. Vita does not have even that now.

There's 2 DSes sold per every 1 PSP sold - so if PSV can keep 10 milions diffrence for whole gen it will be a huge sucess ;)

Probably more than that.  I rarely see anyone bust out with a PSP compared to the regular DS.  N/E ways I expect a similar ratio with the 3DS and PSV in this coming handheld generation.  Especially, seeing the PSV is not mass market price!

You do realize the PSV is launching at the same price as the PSP, right?  If anything, going by price the ratio should be less.  It's an $80 difference this time, compared to a $100 difference last time.


Yes, I do realize that; however it's a diffrent time and diffrent market from when the DS and the PSP launched.  Handheld gaming now has smartphones and tablets that offer similar if not superior gaming hardware capabilities along with other multitude of functions to compete with the 3DS and Vita.  To be quite honest, Nintendo made a wise move to drop the 3DS to a mainstream price before the release of the iPhone5 to establish a healthy (~5 mil) userbase.  I don't think Vita will do quite well seeing that it will launch shortly after Apple's big product and a revitalized 3DS.  In fact, the 3DS may well have over 8 mil hardware sold the day Vita launches in Japan and 10 mil worldwide as it launches everywhere else.



ImJustBayuum on 21 September 2011

Im pretty sure its raining apples right now.



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outlawauron on 21 September 2011

I think it'll start out rather modestly, but I do think PSP-like numbers would be quite a success.



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oni-link on 21 September 2011
ImJustBayuum said:
Im pretty sure its raining apples right now.


LOL...they sure are going to if not already on the 3DS and Vita's handheld hopes!!!  Especially on the Vita since they are suppose to launch the new iPhone so close to the Vita's release!!!  FEAR THE BIG A!!!! (minor humour)..lol



oni-link on 21 September 2011
outlawauron said:
I think it'll start out rather modestly, but I do think PSP-like numbers would be quite a success.


Yeah at this point if the 3DS can attain those numbers (which most likely they will) they would be a huge success considering the current competition in the handheld department at the moment.  They do have ~5-6 mil units sold since launching 6 months ago; and the 3DS  probably will have a sell thru of 12-14 mil by the time it reaches it's one year term in March 2012.



Lucas-Rio on 21 September 2011
daveJ said:
Lucas-Rio said:
 


The 3DS did not start as expected but his launch was not dismal.

Not dismal!!

in its 3rd NPD month it sold less than 100,000, whatever way you try to spin it, thats terrible, thats worse than the ps3 and the ps3 had a dismal launch.

Or are you saying the ps3 didnt have a dismal launch?


PS3 sold 6 millions in his first year.

3DS is already 5 millions and will probably surpass the score of the PS3.



Joelcool7 on 21 September 2011

I think this depends on how few PSVita's Sony is willing to sell! I think Vita won't do as well as the PSP for multiple reasons.

-Nintendo is taking Japan (MH and other exclusives), no Nintendo isn't about to let MH go to PSP. Nintendo is bound to give Capcom plenty of incentives to keep MH exclusive.

-A large reason PSP sold was piracy. Nobody paid for games, UMD's or music. Well I did but I was rare. Vita however has been said to have much tougher security measures in place to stop piracy.

-Price, 3DS showed that gamers aren't willing to pay 250-300$ for a handheld. PSVita will have a hard time convincing gamers to shell out that kind of dough. I could see Sony cutting hardware prices by winter 2012 in a move similar to Nintendo's.

-Software, unlike 3DS Sony lacks any exclusive heavy hitters. Other then the few first party titles available there is nothing on the system that will push hardware.

-Smart phones are no doubt going to lessen both Sony and Nintendo's over all sales.

-Battery life, consumers have spoken and 3 hours is not good enough. There will be many waiting for the next model to have an improved battery. Or picking up the extra battery expansion!

-Lack of the holiday season, missing 2011 Christmas is Sony's biggest mistake. Sales will not be that high with a spring launch and by the time next Christmas comes 3DS will be in a very strong position!

-HD, drives dev costs higher so developers will see far more profit from 3DS titles even if they sold equal quantities on PSVita!

The only things I see going for PSVita is PlayStation Suite and the support they are receiving from western publishers which Nintendo has lost. If Sony can successfully market the Vita in EMEAA then they have a chance at survival, North America will complement it but without MH and other Japanese exclusives Sony doesn't stand a chance in Japan!



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