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maverick40 on 19 September 2011

The 3ds storm??? The 3ds had a dismal launch, it had a forced price drop because it was selling so bad. It has an identity crisis and the worst add-on in history that needs an external battery. Like the wii U nintendo do not have a clue what direction they are going in. The 3d is useless and right now the games library is pathetic from 1st party. Monster hunter 4 has not been confirmed as a 3ds exclusive. I dont see why it wouldn't come on the vita anyways.

They have some killer 1st party franchises but still no mention of 90% of them.



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lestatdark on 19 September 2011
maverick40 said:
The 3ds storm??? The 3ds had a dismal launch, it had a forced price drop because it was selling so bad. It has an identity crisis and the worst add-on in history that needs an external battery. Like the wii U nintendo do not have a clue what direction they are going in. The 3d is useless and right now the games library is pathetic from 1st party. Monster hunter 4 has not been confirmed as a 3ds exclusive. I dont see why it wouldn't come on the vita anyways.

They have some killer 1st party franchises but still no mention of 90% of them.

I guess you must have been sleeping when they announced Super Mario Land 3D and Mario Kart 7, which are amongst the top selling 1st party franchises for Nintendo right? And they're not coming out next year, November and December 2011 for both. 

The only 1st party killer franchise that just needs to be announced is a new Pokemon game.



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TakeMeToTheHospital on 19 September 2011
maverick40 said:
The 3ds storm??? The 3ds had a dismal launch, it had a forced price drop because it was selling so bad. It has an identity crisis and the worst add-on in history that needs an external battery. Like the wii U nintendo do not have a clue what direction they are going in. The 3d is useless and right now the games library is pathetic from 1st party. Monster hunter 4 has not been confirmed as a 3ds exclusive. I dont see why it wouldn't come on the vita anyways.

They have some killer 1st party franchises but still no mention of 90% of them.


You talk a lot of shit dude. 



d21lewis on 19 September 2011

Consider the 3DS launch the calm before the storm. By December, the full fury of Hurricane Mario will be upon us. May God have mercy on us all.



saicho on 19 September 2011
MARCUSDJACKSON said:

remeber big hits come out of nowhere (DOA, Final fantasy, and COD which before this gen only sold a modest 2m units ww) as do hits that become failure(rock band /guitar hero)so having system selles is not key to vitas success, but having IP that could likely be killer APPS is.

you make it sound like it's easy to have a big hit coming out of nowhere. (and DOA is not a big hit at all).

Also, having a system seller is definitely key to any system success. An IP could likely be killer APPS is good and might turn into a system seller. However, there is no guarantee all killer APPS will sell hardware.

spurgeonryan said:
I think the Vita will just be fine. Sony pushed the PSP to a modest success, I see no reason the Vita will not do well ...as well.

The main problem with Vita right now at the current state is that Japan was PSP's strongest region but Vita has no major Japanese games for launch. That's not to say Vita will not do better in other regions but it's always a big risk when you lose the grip on your strongest region.

MARCUSDJACKSON said:

considering PSV's external battery add's more life to the device which can mean an add's 10 hr's of battery life for a total of 15 hr's, the games are more innovative, the hype is unmatched, everybody around me only talks about PSV, PSV isn't region lock'd meaning you can buy games that are released only in Japan for Vita by down load or port the games and they'll still play cause Vita is not region lock'd, Vita allows for apps, more then 80 games will be released during the launch window then any other console whether it be home console or portable in history! i'd say Vita will do just fine.

more news comes in every day about Vita even after TGS so i'm not worried as both devices will do just fine.

I thought that was a mis-translation. Those games are not for launch window and the time frame is unknow.

Zlejedi said:
Vita still has few things going for it:

- best launch lineup in years
- great graphics with oled screen
- social connectivity
- cross gaming with PS3 and trophy support
- positive first impression

This should be enough to build serious userbase in initial months and after that it will depend on software library as it seems 3DS will be getting another software drought after Christmans is over

Based on all the announced games for 2012, 3DS will have consistent flow of games until next Christmas. I'm not sure where you got the software drought idea from.

d21lewis said:

*edit* One thing to keep in mind about Call of Duty is that the main draw is the online.  The PSV will support online and 3G but lets be real.  There is no way 3G is going to be able to support the CoD online experience.  People are going to have to have access to Wi FI to play Call of Duty in some way that resembles the home version.  Maybe a quick session at McDonalds or Starbucks or Books a Million or something?  But even then, you'll have to contend with people dropping out at inopportune times.  It's the nature of handheld gaming.  Or, people can just play at home where they have full access to online all of the time.  But if they're playing at home on their Wi Fi then why are they playing their portable?

This is also what confuses me when people keep saying COD with 3G will be huge. first, you have to have a stable 3G connection. Even then, I don't understand why it would be so urgent to play COD online on the go like in a coffee shop or McDonalds. So I have 20 min to kille and it's so better that I can jump into COD online now with Vita?



MikeB predicts that the PS3 will sell about 140 million units by the end of 2016 and triple the amount of 360s in the long run.

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Icyedge on 19 September 2011
TakeMeToTheHospital said:
Icyedge said:
TakeMeToTheHospital said:
Silver-Tiger said:
Christian973 said:

What mass market appeal does the Vita have in the west? none. It's going to have the same problem psp had. Vita in Japan is going to have trouble selling. That FFX HD port is still in development and i doubt it will move hardware like that gimmicky little deviants game. We've learned from the 3DS that games move hardware.


Call of Duty.

'nuff said.

Call Of Duty on a 5 inch screen?!?! yeh right dude. No one is gonna enjoy that. Try quickscoping on anything less than a 32 inch. Impossible. 

Its a problem if your looking at a 5 inches screen from 1 meter away, but who would do that? I dont personally care about COD, but it will play just fine on a 5 inches screen being at a 1 foot and half distance.

No it won't. Anything less than 32 inch from any distance is a joke. Stop talking shit dude. It's obvious you don't care about COD. You just don't get it man.  

Distance goes hand in hand with screen size. Your the one talking shit man.



sales2099 on 20 September 2011
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
sales2099 said:
- Missed a holiday launch in NA and Europe.........thus being behind in millions more when it finally releases, meaning itll be all the harder to catch up

- Has zero flagship system sellers even remotely on the level of Mario and its endless spinoffs

- Games in general are numerous, but few actually have names that make the handheld worth buying

- Consoles are one thing, but you NEED casual appeal to sell a dedicated handheld device. 3DS has it, Vita just screams "im only for core".......lots of casuals will be put off by that.

- price gap. value or not, its there and people will notice.

When your late to the party, your more expensive, you have no system sellers..........I mean cmon.

remeber big hits come out of nowhere (DOA, Final fantasy, and COD which before this gen only sold a modest 2m units ww) as do hits that become failure(rock band /guitar hero)so having system selles is not key to vitas success, but having IP that could likely be killer APPS is.

True, but thats one big "IF". Price gaps, launching late, less casual appeal, and no Mario level franchises are all important factors that are real and will hurt Sony. 

It could have one breakout hit but then again.....this is Sony were talking about, and by that I mean aside from Gran Turismo, no Sony IP sells anywhere close to Mario titles. And that goes double for Sony handhelds as they sell even worse then their PS3 cousins. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

demonfox13 on 20 September 2011
Lucas-Rio said:

After an average start earlier this year, the 3DS is finally picking up.

His price drop has done well and finally the price is not an obstacle anymore. The games are finally coming.

Before the end of this year, massive hits like Mario 3DS and Mario Kart will be available. These games have the potential to sell 10 millions, and even more for Mario Kart. Monster Hunter 3 remake will also be released in Japan.

The year after, Animal Crossing (10+ millions seller on DS), Tomodachi (huge hit in Japan) and Kid Icarus will be released by Nintendo. Monster Hunter 4 has been announced as well. Other games will be launched next year, MGS3, Resident Evil revelations, Luigi Mansion 2 , Paper Mario, Mario tennis, Fire emblem.

When the Vita will be released worlwide, the gap will likely be over 10 millions. And the Vita will be more expensive and will have less system sellers than the 3DS who is ready to start really.


So do you think that Sony has a chance to weather the upcoming 3DS storm and to make it competitive?


I cannot speak for the rest of the world, but in the US IF and only IF the VITA gets a proper COD game with a solid online multiplayer (if 3G can pull it off), then that gap will close really fast. We sadly see that COD doesn't seem to be slowing down. Imagine how many children will love to have COD with them at all times while in their mommy and daddy's car? Online multiplayer on the go is a very attractive feature that people here will eat up regardless of age.



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demonfox13 on 20 September 2011
Zlejedi said:
TakeMeToTheHospital said:
Icyedge said:
TakeMeToTheHospital said:
Silver-Tiger said:
Christian973 said:

What mass market appeal does the Vita have in the west? none. It's going to have the same problem psp had. Vita in Japan is going to have trouble selling. That FFX HD port is still in development and i doubt it will move hardware like that gimmicky little deviants game. We've learned from the 3DS that games move hardware.


Call of Duty.

'nuff said.

Call Of Duty on a 5 inch screen?!?! yeh right dude. No one is gonna enjoy that. Try quickscoping on anything less than a 32 inch. Impossible. 

Its a problem if your looking at a 5 inches screen from 1 meter away, but who would do that? I dont personally care about COD, but it will play just fine on a 5 inches screen being at a 1 foot and half distance.

No it won't. Anything less than 32 inch from any distance is a joke. Stop talking shit dude. It's obvious you don't care about COD. You just don't get it man.  

You are talking shit dude. Somehow tons of PC gamers do perfectly fine with much more precise aiming without 32" screens.


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MARCUSDJACKSON on 20 September 2011
saicho said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:

remeber big hits come out of nowhere (DOA, Final fantasy, and COD which before this gen only sold a modest 2m units ww) as do hits that become failure(rock band /guitar hero)so having system selles is not key to vitas success, but having IP that could likely be killer APPS is.

you make it sound like it's easy to have a big hit coming out of nowhere. no you made it shound that way. and as far as DOA and FF go. those were games that saved to companies from going under and thats the only reason i referenced them as killer apps. its not easy getting this so called killer app/system seller you speak of. 

i'll say it again. having system sellers is not key to Vitas success(i'll change it from killer app's) but having ip that could become system sellers is. a system seller is hit or mis cause you'll never know wht game will do it.  

Also, having a system seller is definitely key to any system success. An IP could likely be killer APPS is good and might turn into a system seller. However, there is no guarantee all killer APPS will sell hardware. well tell me wht a system seller is. make sure its a game that you and i know about that hasn't released yet and it has to be a new ip.


This is also what confuses me when people keep saying COD with 3G will be huge. first, you have to have a stable 3G connection. Even then, I don't understand why it would be so urgent to play COD online on the go like in a coffee shop or McDonalds. So I have 20 min to kille and it's so better that I can jump into COD online now with Vita? the same reason people buy your so called killer app for home consoles cause they want to and that should be enough.

you've got alot of quotes there sherlock.

for the second quote i've been to busy to know the break down. 

and as for the first. the greatest game ever made can fail making it not worth having so wht is a killer app/system seller other then a game that appeals to millions of people around the world?

i don't know wht your answer is but mine is that its an opnion. thats right sells are opinions ofhow good a game is, and not becuase its a killer appor system seller cause as mention'd before those kinds of games either come from no where or don't come at all. theres no such thing as a system seller/killer app cause its not something we can all agree on, but we can agree what a sertant game sold and nothing more. if any game was ever a system seller everyone that owns that console would buy it and more then double the people would buy the sequal. thats wht i call a system seller.

so whts a killer app? an opinion and millions of people have to have the same opinion about the same game for it to sell. theres no such thing as a system seller those are hit or miss ip that can do good or bad sells wise. its a killer app becuase you want it, meanning the reason you have to own that console.



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