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Kasz216 said:

Yeah, but a lot of people don't like it because of ethical concerns and the like.  First there's the "not natural" arguement that you basically hear from everone against all technology when it first comes out... and additionally more troubling would be that the countries that develop the technology will have the ability to alter climate at will and one global tempeture isn't "best" for all countries.  I mean heck, Russia and Canada for example would actually be better served if there was global warming.

Back when Ahmadinejad claimed that europe was "Stealing it's rain" I think that shortly after one US state threatened to sue Texas for it's advanced cloud seeding expierments.  So it's probably where he got the idea from.

One of the best reasons to focus most on Geoengineering though is that it's totally possible, man made or not, that we've already hit a "tipping point".

It seems like the "tipping point" issue keeps getting pushed back as we miss each date, so whether we really aren't there yet, or are but it's politically being pushed back... who can say.

Eventually though if it gets hot enough the earth goes into an unstoppable naturally unbalanced heating system, where the heat melts ice, which puts more emisions in the air... which raises heat, which puts more emissions in the air.

By 'global temperature', do you mean that there would be the same temperature worldwide if this thing were used? 'Cause I somehow don't think that would be good for different ecosystems.



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sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

Yeah, but a lot of people don't like it because of ethical concerns and the like.  First there's the "not natural" arguement that you basically hear from everone against all technology when it first comes out... and additionally more troubling would be that the countries that develop the technology will have the ability to alter climate at will and one global tempeture isn't "best" for all countries.  I mean heck, Russia and Canada for example would actually be better served if there was global warming.

Back when Ahmadinejad claimed that europe was "Stealing it's rain" I think that shortly after one US state threatened to sue Texas for it's advanced cloud seeding expierments.  So it's probably where he got the idea from.

One of the best reasons to focus most on Geoengineering though is that it's totally possible, man made or not, that we've already hit a "tipping point".

It seems like the "tipping point" issue keeps getting pushed back as we miss each date, so whether we really aren't there yet, or are but it's politically being pushed back... who can say.

Eventually though if it gets hot enough the earth goes into an unstoppable naturally unbalanced heating system, where the heat melts ice, which puts more emisions in the air... which raises heat, which puts more emissions in the air.

By 'global temperature', do you mean that there would be the same temperature worldwide if this thing were used? 'Cause I somehow don't think that would be good for different ecosystems.

No, I mean global tempeture as in how it's used now. 

For example if global warming increased, Russia and Canada would get much more fertile and much larger amounts of farmland even though it'd get warmer and crapier for some people below them.

During the last global warming period for example, the UK and northern europe flourish while wines which used to come out of southern europe declined heavily.

To put it in simplistic terms since i'm about to leave, it'd be just like argueing over thermostat in a house.



Cirio said:
mchaza said:
sapphi_snake said:

So your big plan starts with genocide?

well thats if we cant get people to stop having more than 1 child. 

overpopulation is a Major issue that is constantly being disreguarded, action must happen, and if we dont want war and genocide in the future, a global action such as one child policy enforced gloabally is our only chance from global destabilsation from global warming + destruction of food producing land + lack of water. 

This is such a flawed logic. Do you know that 1 millionare in the US sends more pollution to the environment than tens of thousands of poor Africans? And that one billionare also wastes more food/water and consumes more resources than thousands of the overpopulated poor? It also doesn't help that our large industries have their factories located in poverish nations without much regulation which further increases the pollution in our atmosphere. Overpopulation is NOT a "major" issue in regards to global warming at least. It is however becoming a problem with food and water (especially in nations where there is already a short supply).

So shoot the son of an American millionaire and you've got carbon offsets to last the lifetime of an African village?

Anyway for real this time, over-population is relative to resources. The world is only over populated when it can be proved there aren't enough resources to support everyone sustainably this is the case right now and its only going to get worse.



Tease.

Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

Yeah, but a lot of people don't like it because of ethical concerns and the like.  First there's the "not natural" arguement that you basically hear from everone against all technology when it first comes out... and additionally more troubling would be that the countries that develop the technology will have the ability to alter climate at will and one global tempeture isn't "best" for all countries.  I mean heck, Russia and Canada for example would actually be better served if there was global warming.

Back when Ahmadinejad claimed that europe was "Stealing it's rain" I think that shortly after one US state threatened to sue Texas for it's advanced cloud seeding expierments.  So it's probably where he got the idea from.

One of the best reasons to focus most on Geoengineering though is that it's totally possible, man made or not, that we've already hit a "tipping point".

It seems like the "tipping point" issue keeps getting pushed back as we miss each date, so whether we really aren't there yet, or are but it's politically being pushed back... who can say.

Eventually though if it gets hot enough the earth goes into an unstoppable naturally unbalanced heating system, where the heat melts ice, which puts more emisions in the air... which raises heat, which puts more emissions in the air.

By 'global temperature', do you mean that there would be the same temperature worldwide if this thing were used? 'Cause I somehow don't think that would be good for different ecosystems.

No, I mean global tempeture as in how it's used now. 

For example if global warming increased, Russia and Canada would get much more fertile and much larger amounts of farmland even though it'd get warmer and crapier for some people below them.

During the last global warming period for example, the UK and northern europe flourish while wines which used to come out of southern europe declined heavily.

To put it in simplistic terms since i'm about to leave, it'd be just like argueing over thermostat in a house.

Yes, now I understand. Seems like this will be a pretty controversial issue, as there will clearly be nations totally against it. It's quite worrying, as I assume total consensus would have to be reached before using this, and some nations might rather go to war...



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"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

Yeah, but a lot of people don't like it because of ethical concerns and the like.  First there's the "not natural" arguement that you basically hear from everone against all technology when it first comes out... and additionally more troubling would be that the countries that develop the technology will have the ability to alter climate at will and one global tempeture isn't "best" for all countries.  I mean heck, Russia and Canada for example would actually be better served if there was global warming.

Back when Ahmadinejad claimed that europe was "Stealing it's rain" I think that shortly after one US state threatened to sue Texas for it's advanced cloud seeding expierments.  So it's probably where he got the idea from.

One of the best reasons to focus most on Geoengineering though is that it's totally possible, man made or not, that we've already hit a "tipping point".

It seems like the "tipping point" issue keeps getting pushed back as we miss each date, so whether we really aren't there yet, or are but it's politically being pushed back... who can say.

Eventually though if it gets hot enough the earth goes into an unstoppable naturally unbalanced heating system, where the heat melts ice, which puts more emisions in the air... which raises heat, which puts more emissions in the air.

By 'global temperature', do you mean that there would be the same temperature worldwide if this thing were used? 'Cause I somehow don't think that would be good for different ecosystems.

No, I mean global tempeture as in how it's used now. 

For example if global warming increased, Russia and Canada would get much more fertile and much larger amounts of farmland even though it'd get warmer and crapier for some people below them.

During the last global warming period for example, the UK and northern europe flourish while wines which used to come out of southern europe declined heavily.

To put it in simplistic terms since i'm about to leave, it'd be just like argueing over thermostat in a house.

Yes, now I understand. Seems like this will be a pretty controversial issue, as there will clearly be nations totally against it. It's quite worrying, as I assume total consensus would have to be reached before using this, and some nations might rather go to war...

I don't think it'd be that big of a deal.  In general climate poltics wise, the US, EU, India and China are all right around the same "prefered" temperture... and Canada generally seems like one of the bigger "Go green" countries even though they have everything to benefit from not going green, both long and short term.

It'd be Russia alone on that issue and i don't think they'd be willing to risk war vs the rest of the developed world on the issue.

As with most international agreements, they'll probably only need the approval of the "major powers."

There would probably be some debate here in there for a degree or two difference, but it should work out.



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mchaza said:
sapphi_snake said:
mchaza said:
i have a quick solution to solve the world from falling apart.

We gather up all the biological weapons from the US, let them off in area in which are unsustainable and highly pollution areas. reduce population by 4 billion. Move everyone to Europe, let areas of the tropically areas recover and help rebuild rainforests while sustainable produce food from areas in the Russian region and other global areas.

100 years of global recovery of rain forests around the world and general natural health.

If killing people is unethical and wrong over who dies, then instead move everyone to europe anyways, and enforce 1 child policy. In 100 years global population will halve and the health of the worl will recover.

Right now we are on the road of killing everyone from overpopulation causing massive famine and screwing up the world that nature turns against us making the world unlivable for humans.

So your big plan starts with genocide?

well thats if we cant get people to stop having more than 1 child. 

overpopulation is a Major issue that is constantly being disreguarded, action must happen, and if we dont want war and genocide in the future, a global action such as one child policy enforced gloabally is our only chance from global destabilsation from global warming + destruction of food producing land + lack of water. 


Better idea:

Stop subsidizing babies being born in poverty-stricken countries in Africa. Stop giving them food aid, and only give them education. Do that, and you've wiped out a major percentage of population growth over the next few decades.

Population growth isn't a problem in the developed world - as evidenced by Europe dying off over the next few decades. The real problem is when you give people that cannot live properly enough food to continue to have 5-6 babies on average.

 

As for the global warming issue - given temperatures in Ohio and what its doing to food supply, I am more worried about global cooling than I am warming. As Kasz said, heat is not the problem that cold is. We can survive if its 5* warmer. We cannot if its 5* cooler.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

Hpw about not ebing stupid anm prevent instead of solution. damn we humans are selfish bastards.



I'm still not convinced about "global warming" to be honest, this does sound like a cool idea though.

...Maybe they could shoot people through those pipes?



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