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Silver-Tiger said:
Marks said:
Cool but I'd rather never get to the point where this is necessary. Enough sunlight hits the Sahara desert to power all of Europe. We should be getting more into renewable energy to stop burning gases.

Also I want to see Hydrogen fuel cell cars like the Honda Clarity (as seen on Top Gear)


...or we could just build 2 or 3 cold fusion reactors to power the whole earth. Sadly, we probably won't see these kind of reactors until 2030 at the earliest.


Cold Fusion sounds sexy. You have my support. 



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mchaza said:
sapphi_snake said:
mchaza said:
i have a quick solution to solve the world from falling apart.

We gather up all the biological weapons from the US, let them off in area in which are unsustainable and highly pollution areas. reduce population by 4 billion. Move everyone to Europe, let areas of the tropically areas recover and help rebuild rainforests while sustainable produce food from areas in the Russian region and other global areas.

100 years of global recovery of rain forests around the world and general natural health.

If killing people is unethical and wrong over who dies, then instead move everyone to europe anyways, and enforce 1 child policy. In 100 years global population will halve and the health of the worl will recover.

Right now we are on the road of killing everyone from overpopulation causing massive famine and screwing up the world that nature turns against us making the world unlivable for humans.

So your big plan starts with genocide?

well thats if we cant get people to stop having more than 1 child. 

overpopulation is a Major issue that is constantly being disreguarded, action must happen, and if we dont want war and genocide in the future, a global action such as one child policy enforced gloabally is our only chance from global destabilsation from global warming + destruction of food producing land + lack of water. 

This is such a flawed logic. Do you know that 1 millionare in the US sends more pollution to the environment than tens of thousands of poor Africans? And that one billionare also wastes more food/water and consumes more resources than thousands of the overpopulated poor? It also doesn't help that our large industries have their factories located in poverish nations without much regulation which further increases the pollution in our atmosphere. Overpopulation is NOT a "major" issue in regards to global warming at least. It is however becoming a problem with food and water (especially in nations where there is already a short supply).



Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
Yeah, that's Geo engineering.

It's a real solution to global warming... vs trying to get every industrialized nation to cut back on quality of life and even harder, trying to convince developing nations to stop developing or pay a premium to do so. (which they can't afford.)

Yes, but will it help regarding all the other environmental problems caused by pollution, exploiting the environment etc.?

Geoengineering?  Yeah eventually, and even better.... it'll help all the problems NOT caused by pollution and exploiting the enviroment.

There are already effective ways to help out drought torn areas.

Plus it has the added bonus of being implementable.

WOW, there should be more money invested in this if that's the case.



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Rpruett said:
mchaza said:
sapphi_snake said:
mchaza said:
i have a quick solution to solve the world from falling apart.

We gather up all the biological weapons from the US, let them off in area in which are unsustainable and highly pollution areas. reduce population by 4 billion. Move everyone to Europe, let areas of the tropically areas recover and help rebuild rainforests while sustainable produce food from areas in the Russian region and other global areas.

100 years of global recovery of rain forests around the world and general natural health.

If killing people is unethical and wrong over who dies, then instead move everyone to europe anyways, and enforce 1 child policy. In 100 years global population will halve and the health of the worl will recover.

Right now we are on the road of killing everyone from overpopulation causing massive famine and screwing up the world that nature turns against us making the world unlivable for humans.

So your big plan starts with genocide?

well thats if we cant get people to stop having more than 1 child. 

overpopulation is a Major issue that is constantly being disreguarded, action must happen, and if we dont want war and genocide in the future, a global action such as one child policy enforced gloabally is our only chance from global destabilsation from global warming + destruction of food producing land + lack of water. 

Absolutely retarded logic, in just about every way imaginable.  Over population is a problem...but it's a self regulating one.  People had large families because they had the need to on a historical sense.  Every day we move further into the future, family sizes shrink and shrink and shrink.  When food supplies start to get more scarce, harder to come by, etc people won't be having more children.

If that were true, then people in Africawould have less children. Historically, the higher the level of education and standard if living gets, the less children people have. Poor uneducated people tend to have lots of children, despite the fact that doing so is very counter-productive.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

Silver-Tiger said:
Marks said:
Cool but I'd rather never get to the point where this is necessary. Enough sunlight hits the Sahara desert to power all of Europe. We should be getting more into renewable energy to stop burning gases.

Also I want to see Hydrogen fuel cell cars like the Honda Clarity (as seen on Top Gear)


...or we could just build 2 or 3 cold fusion reactors to power the whole earth. Sadly, we probably won't see these kind of reactors until 2030 at the earliest.


Cold fusion is non-existant at the moment and most scientists don't believe it is even possible.

Normal fusion reactors on the other hand are famously always fifty years away from being commercial.



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Rath said:
Silver-Tiger said:
Marks said:
Cool but I'd rather never get to the point where this is necessary. Enough sunlight hits the Sahara desert to power all of Europe. We should be getting more into renewable energy to stop burning gases.

Also I want to see Hydrogen fuel cell cars like the Honda Clarity (as seen on Top Gear)


...or we could just build 2 or 3 cold fusion reactors to power the whole earth. Sadly, we probably won't see these kind of reactors until 2030 at the earliest.


Cold fusion is non-existant at the moment and most scientists don't believe it is even possible.

Normal fusion reactors on the other hand are famously always fifty years away from being commercial.

heck, I would be satisfied if they even manage to build normal fusion reactors. Both are very similar anyways. Both produce unbelievable masses of energy with very little danger involved.



updated: 14.01.2012

playing right now: Xenoblade Chronicles

Hype-o-meter, from least to most hyped:  the Last Story, Twisted Metal, Mass Effect 3, Final Fantasy XIII-2, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Playstation ViTA

bet with Mordred11 that Rage will look better on Xbox 360.

Silver-Tiger said:
Rath said:
Silver-Tiger said:
Marks said:
Cool but I'd rather never get to the point where this is necessary. Enough sunlight hits the Sahara desert to power all of Europe. We should be getting more into renewable energy to stop burning gases.

Also I want to see Hydrogen fuel cell cars like the Honda Clarity (as seen on Top Gear)


...or we could just build 2 or 3 cold fusion reactors to power the whole earth. Sadly, we probably won't see these kind of reactors until 2030 at the earliest.


Cold fusion is non-existant at the moment and most scientists don't believe it is even possible.

Normal fusion reactors on the other hand are famously always fifty years away from being commercial.

heck, I would be satisfied if they even manage to build normal fusion reactors. Both are very similar anyways. Both produce unbelievable masses of energy with very little danger involved.


Cold fusion would have the unbelievable advantage of not taking the energy of several nuclear bombs to get started. They've built fusion reactors but they take a certain amount of energy to get started and they can only run for a certain amount of time (because magnets cannot perfectly contain the plasma) - up until now the energy to start the reaction has been greater than the energy collected from the reaction. ITER should be the first energy positive reactor, hugely expensive though. ITER will probably cost twice what the LHC did.



Rath said:
Silver-Tiger said:
Rath said:
Silver-Tiger said:
Marks said:
Cool but I'd rather never get to the point where this is necessary. Enough sunlight hits the Sahara desert to power all of Europe. We should be getting more into renewable energy to stop burning gases.

Also I want to see Hydrogen fuel cell cars like the Honda Clarity (as seen on Top Gear)


...or we could just build 2 or 3 cold fusion reactors to power the whole earth. Sadly, we probably won't see these kind of reactors until 2030 at the earliest.


Cold fusion is non-existant at the moment and most scientists don't believe it is even possible.

Normal fusion reactors on the other hand are famously always fifty years away from being commercial.

heck, I would be satisfied if they even manage to build normal fusion reactors. Both are very similar anyways. Both produce unbelievable masses of energy with very little danger involved.


Cold fusion would have the unbelievable advantage of not taking the energy of several nuclear bombs to get started. They've built fusion reactors but they take a certain amount of energy to get started and they can only run for a certain amount of time (because magnets cannot perfectly contain the plasma) - up until now the energy to start the reaction has been greater than the energy collected from the reaction. ITER should be the first energy positive reactor, hugely expensive though. ITER will probably cost twice what the LHC did.

yeah, I read about ITER, too. It looks promising, but the price is astronomical. In the best case scenario for 2050, energy is cheap as ass, all cars and most industrries run on energy rather on oil or coal, and the energy is produced by some fusion reactors, so basically all cars and factories are green. Sadly, I think monopolists and capitalists will let that future come into fruition.



updated: 14.01.2012

playing right now: Xenoblade Chronicles

Hype-o-meter, from least to most hyped:  the Last Story, Twisted Metal, Mass Effect 3, Final Fantasy XIII-2, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Playstation ViTA

bet with Mordred11 that Rage will look better on Xbox 360.

sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
Yeah, that's Geo engineering.

It's a real solution to global warming... vs trying to get every industrialized nation to cut back on quality of life and even harder, trying to convince developing nations to stop developing or pay a premium to do so. (which they can't afford.)

Yes, but will it help regarding all the other environmental problems caused by pollution, exploiting the environment etc.?

Geoengineering?  Yeah eventually, and even better.... it'll help all the problems NOT caused by pollution and exploiting the enviroment.

There are already effective ways to help out drought torn areas.

Plus it has the added bonus of being implementable.

WOW, there should be more money invested in this if that's the case.

Yeah, but a lot of people don't like it because of ethical concerns and the like.  First there's the "not natural" arguement that you basically hear from everone against all technology when it first comes out... and additionally more troubling would be that the countries that develop the technology will have the ability to alter climate at will and one global tempeture isn't "best" for all countries.  I mean heck, Russia and Canada for example would actually be better served if there was global warming.

Back when Ahmadinejad claimed that europe was "Stealing it's rain" I think that shortly after one US state threatened to sue Texas for it's advanced cloud seeding expierments.  So it's probably where he got the idea from.

One of the best reasons to focus most on Geoengineering though is that it's totally possible, man made or not, that we've already hit a "tipping point".

It seems like the "tipping point" issue keeps getting pushed back as we miss each date, so whether we really aren't there yet, or are but it's politically being pushed back... who can say.

Eventually though if it gets hot enough the earth goes into an unstoppable naturally unbalanced heating system, where the heat melts ice, which puts more emisions in the air... which raises heat, which puts more emissions in the air.



Kasz216 said:

Yeah, but a lot of people don't like it because of ethical concerns and the like.  First there's the "not natural" arguement that you basically hear from everone against all technology when it first comes out... and additionally more troubling would be that the countries that develop the technology will have the ability to alter climate at will and one global tempeture isn't "best" for all countries.  I mean heck, Russia and Canada for example would actually be better served if there was global warming.

Back when Ahmadinejad claimed that europe was "Stealing it's rain" I think that shortly after one US state threatened to sue Texas for it's advanced cloud seeding expierments.  So it's probably where he got the idea from.

One of the best reasons to focus most on Geoengineering though is that it's totally possible, man made or not, that we've already hit a "tipping point".

It seems like the "tipping point" issue keeps getting pushed back as we miss each date, so whether we really aren't there yet, or are but it's politically being pushed back... who can say.

Eventually though if it gets hot enough the earth goes into an unstoppable naturally unbalanced heating system, where the heat melts ice, which puts more emisions in the air... which raises heat, which puts more emissions in the air.

By 'global temperature', do you mean that there would be the same temperature worldwide if this thing were used? 'Cause I somehow don't think that would be good for different ecosystems.



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"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

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