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i got a couple minutes in...up to the point where the claim larry "ordered the building destroyed with explosives". im tired of hearing the same arguments over and over again because fucking retarded assholes just want to spout off rather than actually look into things. fuck sakes "pull it" is not a fucking demolition term.



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wfz said:
HappySqurriel said:
wfz said:
It's not about accepting other strange theories as much as it's about acknowledging that what we were told is impossible to be true.

The way the Twin Towers fell was impossible given the situation. They fell at the speed of gravitational force with no resistance, and straight down into themselves. They had very minor fires and the heat produced by any fire even at its max temperature would be 700 degrees less than what steel melts at.

There are steel buildings that have burned intensely throughout every floor for 18 hours and still didn't fall down, yet building 7 fell down with very minor fires after only a short time? And the Twin Towers... after only an hour? They withstand stronger forces from winter storms than they took from the airplanes.

If you're going to comment in this thread, watch the video first and respond to the points made in it. I want to hear real answers to the questions brought up, not accusations thrown around.

I think you need to retake physics ...


Care to elaborate and say something useful, rather than redirecting the topic? Explain to me how the building fell with absolutely no resistance, onto itself, when other similar buildings never fell even after burning with much more intense fires for many more hours.

Explain to me how the fire got hot enough to melt the steel, when many tests have been done by the fire department proving that fires can't melt steel so easily? And why did the whole building so easily collapse instead of just the top floors falling over?

I'm not trying to throw conspiracy theories around, I'm trying to look at this objectively and figure out what really is and isn't possible. And what we've been told... doesn't seem possible to me. So in all of your glory and wisdom, do you mind saying something actually useful to the discussion?


D21Lewis, I'll reply to you later. Thanks for giving actual consideration to this thread. =)

The fire didn't need to melt the steel but only to weaken it.

 

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wfz said:
HappySqurriel said:
wfz said:
It's not about accepting other strange theories as much as it's about acknowledging that what we were told is impossible to be true.

The way the Twin Towers fell was impossible given the situation. They fell at the speed of gravitational force with no resistance, and straight down into themselves. They had very minor fires and the heat produced by any fire even at its max temperature would be 700 degrees less than what steel melts at.

There are steel buildings that have burned intensely throughout every floor for 18 hours and still didn't fall down, yet building 7 fell down with very minor fires after only a short time? And the Twin Towers... after only an hour? They withstand stronger forces from winter storms than they took from the airplanes.

If you're going to comment in this thread, watch the video first and respond to the points made in it. I want to hear real answers to the questions brought up, not accusations thrown around.

I think you need to retake physics ...


Care to elaborate and say something useful, rather than redirecting the topic? Explain to me how the building fell with absolutely no resistance, onto itself, when other similar buildings never fell even after burning with much more intense fires for many more hours.

Explain to me how the fire got hot enough to melt the steel, when many tests have been done by the fire department proving that fires can't melt steel so easily? And why did the whole building so easily collapse instead of just the top floors falling over?

I'm not trying to throw conspiracy theories around, I'm trying to look at this objectively and figure out what really is and isn't possible. And what we've been told... doesn't seem possible to me. So in all of your glory and wisdom, do you mind saying something actually useful to the discussion?


D21Lewis, I'll reply to you later. Thanks for giving actual consideration to this thread. =)


Go here, it will answer most of your questions-

http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/06-09-11/
http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/11-09-07/



I'm a huge fan of conspiracy theories, I'd love to believe there is alien technology in area 51, I'd love to believe people have been caught and anal probed, and I'd love to believe all the cold-war era espionage theories...but this? this is just dumb. I hate politics, NOT a fan of the US in particular (the politics), and I hate george Bush with a flaming passion, but I don;t think for a second that the WTC attacks were planned by anyone other than muslim fundamentalists with a hardon for hating on the US.

Let it go, guys.



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Well, according to the US official story, two planes hit the WTC (which were designed to take the impact of MULTIPLE 767s), completely bringing down steel buildings in freefall acceleration, and the debris and fire of those building caused WTC7 (a building containing multiple files on insider trading and scandals) to also implode and fall at freefall acceleration, despite the fact that no steel skyscraper in history has ever collapsed from fire and debris, let alone in freefall, and no plane hit WTC7. There were also dozens of witnesses that heard, and some that were even seriously injured by explosions. Oh yeah, but you're not supposed to know that part.. Anyway:

Also, the most heavily guarded and filmed building in the world, the pentagon, had a 747 crash into it, leaving no imprints from the wings or the engines on the side, and no available footage to view to this day. The plane also coincidentally crashed in the only section of the building designed to withstand a terrorist attack.

And in Shanksville, a plane crashed in a field, completely disintegrating upon impact, defying laws of physics, even though no plane in history has ever virtually vaporized upon impact of a crash. Flammable objects like a bandanna and paper passports were collected at all of these scenes, but the near indestructible black boxes were never recovered.

Meanwhile, all 4 of these events happened in the heavily guarded US skies over the course of several hours, while evading NORAD, which had a 100% success rating of interceptions the previous year, and is supposed to engage in an interception within 10 minutes of a plane hijacking.

Any questions? :P



So, you are basically saying that the results of thousands of people being murdered in a single day was brought on by hundreds of people plotting this in our own country. That their plot was to take lives all for the sake of going to war with another country. In order to carry out something of that magnitude there would have to have been hundreds to see it through. People to plant the bombs, people to fly the planes, People to organize the plan, people to keep any eye witness from uncovering anything suspicious taking place. No, my friend. The claims in the video are very farfetched and trying to exagerate things that may have some form of discrepancies/uncertainties.

Simply put, to carry out something that massive and not have one person come out and talk about/confess about the things that happened that day is about as probable as Sony throwing in the towel and allowing themselves to be bought by MS for $1.




wfz said:
HappySqurriel said:
wfz said:
It's not about accepting other strange theories as much as it's about acknowledging that what we were told is impossible to be true.

The way the Twin Towers fell was impossible given the situation. They fell at the speed of gravitational force with no resistance, and straight down into themselves. They had very minor fires and the heat produced by any fire even at its max temperature would be 700 degrees less than what steel melts at.

There are steel buildings that have burned intensely throughout every floor for 18 hours and still didn't fall down, yet building 7 fell down with very minor fires after only a short time? And the Twin Towers... after only an hour? They withstand stronger forces from winter storms than they took from the airplanes.

If you're going to comment in this thread, watch the video first and respond to the points made in it. I want to hear real answers to the questions brought up, not accusations thrown around.

I think you need to retake physics ...


Care to elaborate and say something useful, rather than redirecting the topic? Explain to me how the building fell with absolutely no resistance, onto itself, when other similar buildings never fell even after burning with much more intense fires for many more hours.

Explain to me how the fire got hot enough to melt the steel, when many tests have been done by the fire department proving that fires can't melt steel so easily? And why did the whole building so easily collapse instead of just the top floors falling over?

I'm not trying to throw conspiracy theories around, I'm trying to look at this objectively and figure out what really is and isn't possible. And what we've been told... doesn't seem possible to me. So in all of your glory and wisdom, do you mind saying something actually useful to the discussion?


D21Lewis, I'll reply to you later. Thanks for giving actual consideration to this thread. =)


The buildings colllapsed at near freefall, not at freefall, the speed at which it did fall is not at all physically impossible. The fire didn't melt the steel, it weakened it which does happen at the temperatures the fires were at. The reason the building collapsed downwards is because that is where the force was applied, the top did rotate but at the same time as it was rotating it was falling onto the floors below which could not hold the weight of the top section.



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wfz said:

Care to elaborate and say something useful, rather than redirecting the topic? Explain to me how the building fell with absolutely no resistance, onto itself, when other similar buildings never fell even after burning with much more intense fires for many more hours.

Explain to me how the fire got hot enough to melt the steel, when many tests have been done by the fire department proving that fires can't melt steel so easily? And why did the whole building so easily collapse instead of just the top floors falling over?

I'm not trying to throw conspiracy theories around, I'm trying to look at this objectively and figure out what really is and isn't possible. And what we've been told... doesn't seem possible to me. So in all of your glory and wisdom, do you mind saying something actually useful to the discussion?


D21Lewis, I'll reply to you later. Thanks for giving actual consideration to this thread. =)

None of the buildings fell with 'no resistance'.  Look at this video.  You can see that debris is falling faster than the main structure of the building.  Also what did you expect?  The top 20 or so floors to just fall off to the side?  The main force acting on it is gravity.  It isn't going to just move horizontally for no reason.  People seem to think of towers as building blocks or legos where weight isn't really a factor in building something.  The WTC was a fairly unique design where a large amount of the support was in the walls of the buildings.  This meant there could be a large amount of open floor space without columns.  When the planes impacted the buildings they took out or damaged a large number of these columns on multiple floors.  Heat from the fires further weakened the steel and eventually it buckled and fell.  When the weight of 20 to 30 floors starts falling it isn't going to just bounce off the next one and fall off to the side.  It is going to take out that floor and then you have a larger mass moving faster, and so on.

Also, seriously, it has been ten years and people are still acting like steel has to melt for it to fail?  I mean really...