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sapphi_snake on 06 September 2011
Player1x3 said:
sapphi_snake said:
thismeintiel said:
sapphi_snake said:
thismeintiel said:

Well, regardless of what Obama thinks or wants, this is still a Christian nation. Some may be in the minority, but they just need to get over it. No one is making you go to the memorial and visit the "cross." No one is forcing you to bow down and pray to it. So, man up and move on with your life. Yet another example of a vocal minority trying to push its beliefs and values onto the majority by abusing the legal system. Personally, I don't even believe Jesus died on a cross, but I also don't give a shit what other people have come to believe. Wish more people could be like that instead of whining.

The US  isn't a Christian nation, and using tax money for this venture is abusing people's rights to freedom of religion.

Uh, yea it is.  The vast majority of its citizens are Christian, so therefore it is a Christian nation.  Of course, we allow any to come here and practice whatever faith they want without prejudice, as it should be.  And don't even bring up maybe using a few thousand to transport this structure that brought hope to many, when we have a govt that wastes billions every year.  And not having it there because a very small minority don't believe in it would be the true offense against freedom of religion.

No, that doesn't make the US a Christian nation. In order for the US to be a 'Christian nation', Christianity would have to be the official state religion of the US, Christianity would have to be in control of all institutions and the US laws would have to be based in Christianity. The US has no official state religion (something which is forbidden by your constitution), the state institutions are secular, and the Constitution is based on common law and influence from European philosophers. If the US were a Christian nation, then it would to be similar to Saudi Arabia, which is an Islamic nation: Islam is the official religion, every institution and every aspect of life is controlled by Islam, Sharia law is instated (which is based directly on the Quran and Sunnah). The only country in the world that can be described as a 'Christian nation' is the Vatican (which isn't even a real state).


you know, greece is an official christian nation, and none of the bolded stuff is the case there

Greece is like the Vatican? I did not know that.

If the bolded isn't true, then it's not a Christian nation.



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Rath on 06 September 2011
sapphi_snake said:
Player1x3 said:


you know, greece is an official christian nation, and none of the bolded stuff is the case there

Greece is like the Vatican? I did not know that.

If the bolded isn't true, then it's not a Christian nation.


They have a state religion which makes them a Christian nation.

Same with Norway, England and Iceland.

 

There is a difference between an established religion and a Theocratic state.



sapphi_snake on 06 September 2011
Rath said:
sapphi_snake said:
Player1x3 said:
 


you know, greece is an official christian nation, and none of the bolded stuff is the case there

Greece is like the Vatican? I did not know that.

If the bolded isn't true, then it's not a Christian nation.


They have a state religion which makes them a Christian nation.

Same with Norway, England and Iceland.

 

There is a difference between an established religion and a Theocratic state.

That may be true, but ultimately if they're not theocratic states, there's no real point in calling them Christian nations. Christians can't persecute non-christians (the concept of religion persecution exists, non-christians aren't just 'tolerated', as non-muslims are in Islamic countries), and the state's laws are not determined by Christianity.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

oldschoolfool on 06 September 2011

like the christians and other relgious types don't force there beliefs on everybody. It goes both ways. can't we all just get along.



Player1x3 on 06 September 2011
Rath said:
sapphi_snake said:
Player1x3 said:
 


you know, greece is an official christian nation, and none of the bolded stuff is the case there

Greece is like the Vatican? I did not know that.

If the bolded isn't true, then it's not a Christian nation.


They have a state religion which makes them a Christian nation.

Same with Norway, England and Iceland.

 

There is a difference between an established religion and a Theocratic state.

Thank you !