glimmer_of_hope said:
Im sorry but when but when 69-90% of the whole world population believes in a God that means something. Talking about "faulty logic" you should be talking about your OWN logic. You are asking for proof of God, yet you are not willing to prove there is no God. Whats the logic in that?
Do you even know what propaganda is? Apparently not! So now you are claiming that people who believe differently then you is spreading propaganda?
We are talking about peoples own beliefs.....and your saying it's propaganda now? Why the hell hasn't this thread been shut down?
Dude you have been beat down sooo bad in this thread that now your just talking garbage. You dont even make sence! You cant demand proof if you cannot provide proof on your end! Thats like saying "ok we are going to fight....i can hit you....but you cant hit me"
Do you believe the Egyptions built the pyramids? Where is the proof of that? No pictures, no proof, just people saying that it happened.
It's the same as God. No pictures, no proof. But people say he exists. Just as people will say the Egyptions left behind the Pyramids, God left his creation behind.
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You don't really do this whole 'debate' thing very often, do you?
1 - I am not claiming there is no god. The world is not black and white, as it were. Just because I'm not convinced there IS a god doesn't mean I absolutely believe there is NO god. that's just you extending or assumptions about me into a ridiculus extrapolation so you can prove my ignorance. Also known as the Strawman Fallacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman_fallacy
2 - Okay, so propaganda was the wrong word to use but it seemed the simplest to equate. I didn't want to have to go into detail about how the church promises eternal life, companionship and various other things in exchange for faith and support. There's a whole debate there but it was easier (and while technically inaccurate, a good paralell) to call it propaganda. Long story short, hope and fear are powerful motivators.
3 - Again, I have not been 'beaten down' in any way. Nobody has provided a single compelling point in the other direction. I asked for proof of God's existence and nobody has given that. I repeat, I'm not making bold claims, though I ask that those who do support those claims with evidence. It's honestly not too much to ask and the closest anyone's come to offering solid proof in the other direction is offering some powerful philosophy (thank you Dr Grass), but that's only a "what if' scenario, not proof. Proof has tangible results, the scientific demands the results can be replicated with infinite accuracy , etc. Seriously, your analogy fails because nobody's swinging at me, they're just talking about how silly I am for wanting to fight them.
4 - Again with the strawman (in a roundabout way.) I have no idea who built the pyramids, maybe it was aliens, maybe it was a race of sand creatures. all I do know for a fact is that the pyramids are in Egypt...and according to science were built in the same period the ancient egyptians were supposedly there. If I follow the Evidence, then yes, it's fair to assume the egyptians built the pyramids, but if there was any actual evidence claiming something to the contrary, I'd honestly go "hmmm, interesting." and continue to ponder it.
5 - That's your final argument? This is not an argument, it's not even philosophy. It's not even an apples and oranges comparison, more like apples and ankhs. God never came down, there's nothing in our textbooks about God, jsut about a whole lot of people talking about god. people talk about Xenu, too...do you believe what the church of scientology has to say? Lots of people say they've been abducted by aliens, but just because a lot of people said it, that doesn't mean it's true. It's just a bunch of people making claims without proof. Just because the concept of 'God' caught on early in our history, in a time when people wanted answers and couldn't figure things out.
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