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SmokedHostage said:

Going to heaven and getting to heaven sounds more and more like slavery as I think about.

You must not do this, you must not do that. When your life is over, you will go to Heaven for all eternity where can't indulge on earthly freedoms like drinking, polyamorous sex and such.

Seriously; God if you're out, send me to Hell or Limbo, Heaven sounds subjectively lame to me.

This is hilarious.



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Troll_Whisperer said:
nightsurge said:

I will ignore the slightly insulting OP's usage of "archaic" and other words that imply belief in a religion to be silly, old fashioned, or otherwise odd.

I just have two things to say:

 

  1. Science never PROVES anything. This is a common misusage/misconception.
  1. If you wish to believe in the Big Bang Theory or other creation theories that don't rely on a devine being, explain to me where the very first object in the universe came from. They say the Big Bang started from a very small amount of elements that began moving extremely rapidly in a dense state. Well, what about where those elements came from? They had to come from somewhere, correct? Just a little philosophical conundrum.

 

Enjoy :)

I'll add to the conundrum: If those elements came from God, where did God come from?

It is much easier to accept that some elements were there forever than that there was a God that was there forever to create them. Why not skip that step?

Otherwise we can argue that God has a God who has a God who has a God...

That is incorrect. The belief of an all-powerful being is that he/she exists beyond the realm of time and always has/always will exist. There was no "creator" for an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent being.

However, there are creators of all elements known to man, forming from the first few elements in the supposed Big Bang theory.

So really it is much easier to believe that something had to have created even those beginning elements and something even before them. Because after all, nothing is simply nothing, and the only possible explanation for creating SOMETHING out of NOTHING would be actions of a higher power.



nightsurge said:
Troll_Whisperer said:
nightsurge said:

I will ignore the slightly insulting OP's usage of "archaic" and other words that imply belief in a religion to be silly, old fashioned, or otherwise odd.

I just have two things to say:

 

  1. Science never PROVES anything. This is a common misusage/misconception.
  1. If you wish to believe in the Big Bang Theory or other creation theories that don't rely on a devine being, explain to me where the very first object in the universe came from. They say the Big Bang started from a very small amount of elements that began moving extremely rapidly in a dense state. Well, what about where those elements came from? They had to come from somewhere, correct? Just a little philosophical conundrum.

 

Enjoy :)

I'll add to the conundrum: If those elements came from God, where did God come from?

It is much easier to accept that some elements were there forever than that there was a God that was there forever to create them. Why not skip that step?

Otherwise we can argue that God has a God who has a God who has a God...

That is incorrect. The belief of an all-powerful being is that he/she exists beyond the realm of time and always has/always will exist. There was no "creator" for an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent being.

However, there are creators of all elements known to man, forming from the first few elements in the supposed Big Bang theory.

So really it is much easier to believe that something had to have created even those beginning elements and something even before them. Because after all, nothing is simply nothing, and the only possible explanation for creating SOMETHING out of NOTHING would be actions of a higher power.

If you can argue a god was there forever you can argue those were there forever, dude.

God himself would be something out of nothing.

If he 'exists beyond the realm of time and always has/always will exist' you can say the same of that matter.

There's no way to spin this, seriously. Having a God create everything just raises more questions.



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Cause and effect



nightsurge said:

I will ignore the slightly insulting OP's usage of "archaic" and other words that imply belief in a religion to be silly, old fashioned, or otherwise odd.

I just have two things to say:

 

  1. Science never PROVES anything. This is a common misusage/misconception.
  1. If you wish to believe in the Big Bang Theory or other creation theories that don't rely on a devine being, explain to me where the very first object in the universe came from. They say the Big Bang started from a very small amount of elements that began moving extremely rapidly in a dense state. Well, what about where those elements came from? They had to come from somewhere, correct? Just a little philosophical conundrum.

 

Enjoy :)

the simple fact that we even discuss the big bang theory is due to that science has proven a lot of things to that point. Things that could not be accepted in other times, but they turned out to be true. and some were only proven because people stood up to their believes. and these things gradually became accepted as truth and fact and it was the religions who had to give way to knowledge.

it was never the other way around, and i doubt it ever will be.

otherwise the sun would still revolve around earth in the center of the universe and we would still be scared to sail over the edge.

or do you beleive these are theories too?

 



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Umos-Cmos said:

"...Through the power of the Holy Ghost.  The Holy Ghost speaks to our minds and hearts in a still, small voice and causes our hearts to burn within us.  When our hearts and minds agree with the question we ask of God, it is a confirmation of that truth.  The key ingredient to all of this however, is sincerity.  If you aren't sincere in your quest to know God you will not find the answers to the questions you seek."


No words to describe what you just described! So true! :)



Porcupine_I said:
nightsurge said:

I will ignore the slightly insulting OP's usage of "archaic" and other words that imply belief in a religion to be silly, old fashioned, or otherwise odd.

I just have two things to say:

 

  1. Science never PROVES anything. This is a common misusage/misconception.
  1. If you wish to believe in the Big Bang Theory or other creation theories that don't rely on a devine being, explain to me where the very first object in the universe came from. They say the Big Bang started from a very small amount of elements that began moving extremely rapidly in a dense state. Well, what about where those elements came from? They had to come from somewhere, correct? Just a little philosophical conundrum.

 

Enjoy :)

the simple fact that we even discuss the big bang theory is due to that science has proven a lot of things to that point. Things that could not be accepted in other times, but they turned out to be true. and some were only proven because people stood up to their believes. and these things gradually became accepted as truth and fact and it was the religions who had to give way to knowledge.

it was never the other way around, and i doubt it ever will be.

otherwise the sun would still revolve around earth in the center of the universe and we would still be scared to sail over the edge.

or do you beleive these are theories too?

 

What I said was a fact.

Science does not PROVE anything. Yet you just used the words "proof, proven, prove" a lot in that response. Science can NEVER ever prove anything to 100% certainty and all educated scientists themselves know and accept this as fact.

It was never religion that claimed we were the center of the universe or that the earth was flat, it was the people's intelligence and Science at those points in time. So yes, those are/were theories and they have since evolved into what we understand today. Theories gain evidence to either support or refute their claims, but they never ever irrefutably prove anything. I was merely trying to emphasize that fact.

Also, I have avoided making my personal beliefs known up to this point, but I will divulge now. What I believe is a combination of both Scientific theories and God for the explanation of creation. There is no reason a god could not have used events such as the big bang or evolution to create the universe as it is today. The Bible intentionally leaves things up for interpretation, I feel. Such as when it says that God created the heavens and the earth, and created the earth in 6 days. But what is a "day" to an all powerful being that exists beyond time itself and has no essence of "time"? Millions of years forming the earth could be a blink of an eye to this being. He/She could very well have used volcanic eruptions, slow erosion, and evolution of species over millions of years to form what we have now. Time is merely a concept that we humans created. There is no reason one cannot believe in both Scientific theories such as the Big Bang/Evolution and in a higher power. But that's just my own personal beliefs from not accepting everything that was thrown at me at face value and making my own informed decisions on the topics.



Dr.Grass said:
BluGamer23 said:
Satan would be proud of this Thread. done


Yes, because he is working SO hard to 'get one over the big guy' right!? He carefully makes plans to try and corrupt the hearts of God's children so that they might stray from the path of righteousness. Then, upon seeing that His children have been swayed by the snake, God damns them to eternal suffering where they will encounter unprecedented pain and sorrow because of being deceived by the arch-rival, Satan.

God tries to save His children from Satan, but to no avail - the thread is not locked by the moderators.

What an awful world and horrible predicament. Life isn't fair.



aww and here I am thinking no one believes in God.. thats the spirit !..