| Porcupine_I said: These aren't real Atheist! Real Atheists don't commit crime! |
best twist of a no true scotsman fallacy I have ever witnessed... I applaud you sir (or maddam). :)
| Joelcool7 said:
So many factor's, I think these stats show clearly that athiests and Christian's , Jews and all faiths are equally involved in crime. When you take population and capita into the equation. I wouldn't try and claim that athiests or people of any belief are more prone to crime then another group. Go to Saudi Arabia and you'll find the majority are muslim. Thailand and you'll find the majority are buddhist. If their was a country where athiesm was the majority then I'm sure in that country the majority of crimes would be committed by athiests!
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Thig is, that I'm quite sure that smaller percentages of atheists and Jews are in jail compared to christians. And this is also compared to the overall populations of these groups, which is important: 1% of convicts are atheists, while 10-15% of the total population is atheist; 75% percent of convicts are christians, while 76% of the population is christian. Don't know what the statistics are for Jews, but I don't think they're as likely to commit a crime as christians.
Of course, as it has been said, this is more likely due to socio-economic factors, rather than having any connection to any ideology. Atheist are generally better educated and on average have better financial sirtuations than christians (and the religious in general in the Western world), and I don't even have to mention Jews (in this case it really is due to their religion that they're better off). It would be interesting to know the differences between 'blue collar crimes' and 'white collar crimes' (in the latter I think everyone is equally represented).
Also, jsut because many convicts 'find God' in jail doesn't necesarrily mean they were atheists. It could be possible that they were simply indifferent to religion (which would not be the same as being atheist), or they were too busy doing drugs to practice whatever religion they were brought up in.
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mrstickball said:
This. I also find it interesting that there are vastly more Catholics than any other denomination by significant margins, despite the fact that Catholics are certainly in the minority in America (generally sub-20%). |
I'm not intending to start an argument relating to anohter issue, but you shouldn't forget that Latinos are mainly Catholic.
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| realsubzero said: I think the original posters point was that a lot of people say that athiests are more likely to commit a crime due to lack of a moral compass etc etc. This study just shows that that isnt necessarily the case. |
I think that recent studies showed that 40-50% of people in USA belive in astrology so general opinion is hardly true.
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| setsunatenshi said: Starting your post with 'In my oppinion...' or 'I believe that...' would go a long way into not making you look like an idiot who just makes up facts. But it's great that you came around to say it was no more than pure speculation on your part based on nothing but bias against the group of people who are identified as non believers (in my oppinion of course). |
I am an atheist myself,so that's not quite true.
Mordred11 said:
I am an atheist myself,so that's not quite true. |
That makes it all the more fascinating why you would believe something like you stated.
Considering both your posts were true of course.
@ the people saying that I don't back up my statement.Do YOU have any evidence to prove the contrary?As long as you don't,your perspective is just as correct/flawed as mine.I'm only speculating,if there was an answer to everything,forums wouldn't exist,questions wouldn't be asked.And that's why were here,to talk about it,and share our opinions,so take it easy.
People who commit crimes,are mostly the ones who are desperate and do it to survive.Are you telling me that the majority of these people are true christians and have hope in god that he'll make everything right?That's one very hard thing to believe.
| Porcupine_I said: These aren't real Atheist! Real Atheists don't commit crime! |
Yeah. Real Atheists don't flip flop and convert when they are in trouble.
Galaki said:
Yeah. Real Atheists don't flip flop and convert when they are in trouble. |
Of course not! For a real Atheist there is nothing to convert to!
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my grip about this study is it seems to confuse the term atheist with non-religious. just because you haven't aligned yourself with one of the other relgions of the world does not make you an atheist.
an atheist believes that there is no god.
a non-religious (in the way they are using it here) means you aren't associated with any church/whatever.
as far as i'm concerned, atheisism is a religion. if you haven't given serious thought to your choice to not believe in god you are more agnostic then athiest imo.
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