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sapphi_snake on 24 August 2011
Blacksaber said:
sapphi_snake said:
scottie said:
osamanobama said:
scottie said:
osamanobama said:


that scares me. i could never view a mass murderer (of his own people even) as a hero


List some of your heros.

 

Anyway, I disagree quite strongly with a lot of Lenin's ideaologies (or at least his implementation of them) but I still consider him to be a hero.

i did

.and that scares me even more.


You listed one. List more of your heroes, don't even have to limit it to those who you disagree with.

 

You are honestly scared by democratic socialism? I suspect you are infact thinking of Stalin, but it's ok, I would imagine the American history sylabus doesn't differentiate between the two, nor between them and the devil. if you're ever interested in learning something about Lenin, Marx and democratic socialism, then just give me a bell.

This line is just brilliant!


Scottie isn't that off really since the textbook I had during high school demonized both Marx and Lenin as being Stalin clones. Really it's sad to see how badly textbooks which are suppose to show history are tainted with nationalistic tones which twist the truth. Though I guess I'll take their twists over their over use of ignoring anything that will paint the country in any negative light, but I'm just rambling off topic.

But Marx and Lenin lived before Stalin... How can they be clones of him?



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osamanobama on 24 August 2011
sapphi_snake said:
osamanobama said:
scottie said:
osamanobama said:
scottie said:
osamanobama said:


that scares me. i could never view a mass murderer (of his own people even) as a hero


List some of your heros.

 

Anyway, I disagree quite strongly with a lot of Lenin's ideaologies (or at least his implementation of them) but I still consider him to be a hero.

i did

.and that scares me even more.


You listed one. List more of your heroes, don't even have to limit it to those who you disagree with.

 

You are honestly scared by democratic socialism? I suspect you are infact thinking of Stalin, but it's ok, I would imagine the American history sylabus doesn't differentiate between the two, nor between them and the devil. if you're ever interested in learning something about Lenin, Marx and democratic socialism, then just give me a bell.

yes, i know who lenin is and marx and stalin. and no i will not be inquiring you about the awesomeness of communism.

another one.... Jesus

You disagree with Jesus ideologically???


lol, no he said i can pick a guy i agree with. jesus fits that discription to a T



sapphi_snake on 24 August 2011
osamanobama said:
sapphi_snake said:
osamanobama said:
scottie said:
osamanobama said:
scottie said:
osamanobama said:


that scares me. i could never view a mass murderer (of his own people even) as a hero


List some of your heros.

 

Anyway, I disagree quite strongly with a lot of Lenin's ideaologies (or at least his implementation of them) but I still consider him to be a hero.

i did

.and that scares me even more.


You listed one. List more of your heroes, don't even have to limit it to those who you disagree with.

 

You are honestly scared by democratic socialism? I suspect you are infact thinking of Stalin, but it's ok, I would imagine the American history sylabus doesn't differentiate between the two, nor between them and the devil. if you're ever interested in learning something about Lenin, Marx and democratic socialism, then just give me a bell.

yes, i know who lenin is and marx and stalin. and no i will not be inquiring you about the awesomeness of communism.

another one.... Jesus

You disagree with Jesus ideologically???


lol, no he said i can pick a guy i agree with. jesus fits that discription to a T

Meh. It's no fun if you add people you agree with.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

Jumpin on 25 August 2011
osamanobama said:
huaxiong90 said:
osamanobama said:
huaxiong90 said:
Che Guevara.

I'm not a supporter of his ideology or his reforms, but I respect him as a revolutionary who fought against American imperialism.


that scares me. i could never view a mass murderer (of his own people even) as a hero

Hence why I disagree with him ideologically.

so you view him as a hero

he exploited a cause to just gain power plus hes a communist and a murderer... cant get much worse than that

Gandhi I both respect as a hero, and I support most of his ideology. This thread asks about people we for the most part disagree with, so I didn't mention him.

Wow, I have never heard such a huge amount of BS fit into just one short line. Perhaps you should read up on history, and not from a pro-fascist American book.

The irony of your post is that you bash communism, and then list Gandhi as being perfect..... Even though Gandhi lived in a Commune.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

osamanobama on 25 August 2011
Jumpin said:
osamanobama said:
huaxiong90 said:
osamanobama said:
huaxiong90 said:
Che Guevara.

I'm not a supporter of his ideology or his reforms, but I respect him as a revolutionary who fought against American imperialism.


that scares me. i could never view a mass murderer (of his own people even) as a hero

Hence why I disagree with him ideologically.

so you view him as a hero

he exploited a cause to just gain power plus hes a communist and a murderer... cant get much worse than that

Gandhi I both respect as a hero, and I support most of his ideology. This thread asks about people we for the most part disagree with, so I didn't mention him.

Wow, I have never heard such a huge amount of BS fit into just one short line. Perhaps you should read up on history, and not from a pro-fascist American book.

The irony of your post is that you bash communism, and then list Gandhi as being perfect..... Even though Gandhi lived in a Commune.

why would i read a pro-facist book. i already told you i hate socialism.

anyway:

1) Che was a communist

2) Che was a murderer

 

and i never said Gandhi was perfect, read the thread title. "some one you disagree with ideologically but view as a hero". i hate communism, hence why i disagree with Ganghi, but his actions still made him a hero.

and if it makes you feel any better, if all humans were like Gandhi, communism might even work.



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Jumpin on 26 August 2011
sapphi_snake said:
Blacksaber said:
sapphi_snake said:
scottie said:
osamanobama said:
scottie said:
osamanobama said:


that scares me. i could never view a mass murderer (of his own people even) as a hero


List some of your heros.

 

Anyway, I disagree quite strongly with a lot of Lenin's ideaologies (or at least his implementation of them) but I still consider him to be a hero.

i did

.and that scares me even more.


You listed one. List more of your heroes, don't even have to limit it to those who you disagree with.

 

You are honestly scared by democratic socialism? I suspect you are infact thinking of Stalin, but it's ok, I would imagine the American history sylabus doesn't differentiate between the two, nor between them and the devil. if you're ever interested in learning something about Lenin, Marx and democratic socialism, then just give me a bell.

This line is just brilliant!


Scottie isn't that off really since the textbook I had during high school demonized both Marx and Lenin as being Stalin clones. Really it's sad to see how badly textbooks which are suppose to show history are tainted with nationalistic tones which twist the truth. Though I guess I'll take their twists over their over use of ignoring anything that will paint the country in any negative light, but I'm just rambling off topic.

But Marx and Lenin lived before Stalin... How can they be clones of him?

Time Machines.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

Jumpin on 26 August 2011
osamanobama said:
Jumpin said:
osamanobama said:
huaxiong90 said:
osamanobama said:
huaxiong90 said:
Che Guevara.

I'm not a supporter of his ideology or his reforms, but I respect him as a revolutionary who fought against American imperialism.


that scares me. i could never view a mass murderer (of his own people even) as a hero

Hence why I disagree with him ideologically.

so you view him as a hero

he exploited a cause to just gain power plus hes a communist and a murderer... cant get much worse than that

Gandhi I both respect as a hero, and I support most of his ideology. This thread asks about people we for the most part disagree with, so I didn't mention him.

Wow, I have never heard such a huge amount of BS fit into just one short line. Perhaps you should read up on history, and not from a pro-fascist American book.

The irony of your post is that you bash communism, and then list Gandhi as being perfect..... Even though Gandhi lived in a Commune.

why would i read a pro-facist book. i already told you i hate socialism.

anyway:

1) Che was a communist

2) Che was a murderer

Communist yes, revolutionary yes.

Murderer? No. Actually, he was a Doctor, a healer, and later a martyr.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

sapphi_snake on 26 August 2011
Jumpin said:
sapphi_snake said:
Blacksaber said:
sapphi_snake said:
scottie said:
osamanobama said:
scottie said:
osamanobama said:


that scares me. i could never view a mass murderer (of his own people even) as a hero


List some of your heros.

 

Anyway, I disagree quite strongly with a lot of Lenin's ideaologies (or at least his implementation of them) but I still consider him to be a hero.

i did

.and that scares me even more.


You listed one. List more of your heroes, don't even have to limit it to those who you disagree with.

 

You are honestly scared by democratic socialism? I suspect you are infact thinking of Stalin, but it's ok, I would imagine the American history sylabus doesn't differentiate between the two, nor between them and the devil. if you're ever interested in learning something about Lenin, Marx and democratic socialism, then just give me a bell.

This line is just brilliant!


Scottie isn't that off really since the textbook I had during high school demonized both Marx and Lenin as being Stalin clones. Really it's sad to see how badly textbooks which are suppose to show history are tainted with nationalistic tones which twist the truth. Though I guess I'll take their twists over their over use of ignoring anything that will paint the country in any negative light, but I'm just rambling off topic.

But Marx and Lenin lived before Stalin... How can they be clones of him?

Time Machines.





"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

osamanobama on 26 August 2011
Jumpin said:
osamanobama said:
Jumpin said:
osamanobama said:
huaxiong90 said:
osamanobama said:
huaxiong90 said:
Che Guevara.

I'm not a supporter of his ideology or his reforms, but I respect him as a revolutionary who fought against American imperialism.


that scares me. i could never view a mass murderer (of his own people even) as a hero

Hence why I disagree with him ideologically.

so you view him as a hero

he exploited a cause to just gain power plus hes a communist and a murderer... cant get much worse than that

Gandhi I both respect as a hero, and I support most of his ideology. This thread asks about people we for the most part disagree with, so I didn't mention him.

Wow, I have never heard such a huge amount of BS fit into just one short line. Perhaps you should read up on history, and not from a pro-fascist American book.

The irony of your post is that you bash communism, and then list Gandhi as being perfect..... Even though Gandhi lived in a Commune.

why would i read a pro-facist book. i already told you i hate socialism.

anyway:

1) Che was a communist

2) Che was a murderer

Communist yes, revolutionary yes.

Murderer? No. Actually, he was a Doctor, a healer, and later a martyr.

wait, are you seriously debating history.

wether or not hes a murderer isnt even debated, its a well known fact.



Jumpin on 26 August 2011
osamanobama said:
Jumpin said:
osamanobama said:
Jumpin said:
osamanobama said:
huaxiong90 said:
osamanobama said:
huaxiong90 said:
Che Guevara.

I'm not a supporter of his ideology or his reforms, but I respect him as a revolutionary who fought against American imperialism.


that scares me. i could never view a mass murderer (of his own people even) as a hero

Hence why I disagree with him ideologically.

so you view him as a hero

he exploited a cause to just gain power plus hes a communist and a murderer... cant get much worse than that

Gandhi I both respect as a hero, and I support most of his ideology. This thread asks about people we for the most part disagree with, so I didn't mention him.

Wow, I have never heard such a huge amount of BS fit into just one short line. Perhaps you should read up on history, and not from a pro-fascist American book.

The irony of your post is that you bash communism, and then list Gandhi as being perfect..... Even though Gandhi lived in a Commune.

why would i read a pro-facist book. i already told you i hate socialism.

anyway:

1) Che was a communist

2) Che was a murderer

Communist yes, revolutionary yes.

Murderer? No. Actually, he was a Doctor, a healer, and later a martyr.

wait, are you seriously debating history.

wether or not hes a murderer isnt even debated, its a well known fact.

I am not debating history, I am correcting your misinformation.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.