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sapphi_snake said:
Rath said:
I'm a big fan of both Rowan Williams and Desmond Tutu despite their being religious leaders and me being atheist. To me both practice what Christianity preaches.

What kind of a name is Desmond Tutu???


An Xhosa name?



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Rule of thumb, if your ideologies are different from those of those you consider heroes, then your ideologies are probably wrong.



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osamanobama said:
huaxiong90 said:
Che Guevara.

I'm not a supporter of his ideology or his reforms, but I respect him as a revolutionary who fought against American imperialism.


that scares me. i could never view a mass murderer (of his own people even) as a hero

Hence why I disagree with him ideologically.



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huaxiong90 said:
osamanobama said:
huaxiong90 said:
Che Guevara.

I'm not a supporter of his ideology or his reforms, but I respect him as a revolutionary who fought against American imperialism.


that scares me. i could never view a mass murderer (of his own people even) as a hero

Hence why I disagree with him ideologically.

so you view him as a hero

he exploited a cause to just gain power plus hes a communist and a murderer... cant get much worse than that

any way i think this will be a better example (it is for me) Gandhi



osamanobama said:

so you view him as a hero

he exploited a cause to just gain power plus hes a communist and a murderer... cant get much worse than that

any way i think this will be a better example (it is for me) Gandhi

Wouldn't necessarily say "hero". More like a revolution inspiration.

Trust me, I know what he did was afterwards was disgusting, and I don't support communism whatsoever.

Gandhi I both respect as a hero, and I support most of his ideology. This thread asks about people we for the most part disagree with, so I didn't mention him.



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huaxiong90 said:
osamanobama said:

so you view him as a hero

he exploited a cause to just gain power plus hes a communist and a murderer... cant get much worse than that

any way i think this will be a better example (it is for me) Gandhi

Wouldn't necessarily say "hero". More like a revolution inspiration.

Trust me, I know what he did was afterwards was disgusting, and I don't support communism whatsoever.

Gandhi I both respect as a hero, and I support most of his ideology. This thread asks about people we for the most part disagree with, so I didn't mention him.

but it also ask if you view them as a hero.

and im glad you dont support comunism



osamanobama said:
huaxiong90 said:

Wouldn't necessarily say "hero". More like a revolution inspiration.

Trust me, I know what he did was afterwards was disgusting, and I don't support communism whatsoever.

Gandhi I both respect as a hero, and I support most of his ideology. This thread asks about people we for the most part disagree with, so I didn't mention him.

but it also ask if you view them as a hero.

and im glad you dont support comunism

Like I said, I only see him as a revolutionary and an inspiration to the oppressed people in the Arab world...that doesn't mean we approve of his reforms, which screwed the people over.



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huaxiong90 said:
osamanobama said:
huaxiong90 said:

Wouldn't necessarily say "hero". More like a revolution inspiration.

Trust me, I know what he did was afterwards was disgusting, and I don't support communism whatsoever.

Gandhi I both respect as a hero, and I support most of his ideology. This thread asks about people we for the most part disagree with, so I didn't mention him.

but it also ask if you view them as a hero.

and im glad you dont support comunism

Like I said, I only see him as a revolutionary and an inspiration to the oppressed people in the Arab world...that doesn't mean we approve of his reforms, which screwed the people over.

huh... im not claiming i know much about him (i dont), but wasnt he from argintina, and then helped in the cuban revolution. what does that have to do with the arab world



osamanobama said:

huh... im not claiming i know much about him (i dont), but wasnt he from argintina, and then helped in the cuban revolution. what does that have to do with the arab world

It's simple:

Us Arabs have long been living under oppressive, mostly either U.S. backed or Russian backed authoritarian regimes. The Cuban government he overthrew was no exception (it was U.S. backed).

Basically, I see him as a revolutionary figure of fighting imperialism, even though he was no better as a ruler. However, what the people revolting in the Arab spring want is a country that works for its benefits before a foreign country's benefits.



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osamanobama said:
huaxiong90 said:
Che Guevara.

I'm not a supporter of his ideology or his reforms, but I respect him as a revolutionary who fought against American imperialism.


that scares me. i could never view a mass murderer (of his own people even) as a hero

Che Guevera was born in Rosario, Argentinia so when exactly was he ever involved in the mass murder of any Argentinian please enlighten me.