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osamanobama on 23 August 2011
Chris Hu said:
osamanobama said:
huaxiong90 said:
Che Guevara.

I'm not a supporter of his ideology or his reforms, but I respect him as a revolutionary who fought against American imperialism.


that scares me. i could never view a mass murderer (of his own people even) as a hero

Che Guevera was born in Rosario, Argentinia so when exactly was he ever involved in the mass murder of any Argentinian please enlighten me.

no, not argintinians, but cubans, the people he supposedly fought for



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scottie on 23 August 2011
osamanobama said:


that scares me. i could never view a mass murderer (of his own people even) as a hero


List some of your heros.

 

Anyway, I disagree quite strongly with a lot of Lenin's ideaologies (or at least his implementation of them) but I still consider him to be a hero.



osamanobama on 23 August 2011
scottie said:
osamanobama said:


that scares me. i could never view a mass murderer (of his own people even) as a hero


List some of your heros.

 

Anyway, I disagree quite strongly with a lot of Lenin's ideaologies (or at least his implementation of them) but I still consider him to be a hero.

i did

.and that scares me even more.



scottie on 23 August 2011
osamanobama said:
scottie said:
osamanobama said:


that scares me. i could never view a mass murderer (of his own people even) as a hero


List some of your heros.

 

Anyway, I disagree quite strongly with a lot of Lenin's ideaologies (or at least his implementation of them) but I still consider him to be a hero.

i did

.and that scares me even more.


You listed one. List more of your heroes, don't even have to limit it to those who you disagree with.

 

You are honestly scared by democratic socialism? I suspect you are infact thinking of Stalin, but it's ok, I would imagine the American history sylabus doesn't differentiate between the two, nor between them and the devil. if you're ever interested in learning something about Lenin, Marx and democratic socialism, then just give me a bell.



o_O.Q on 23 August 2011

 

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osamanobama on 24 August 2011
scottie said:
osamanobama said:
scottie said:
osamanobama said:


that scares me. i could never view a mass murderer (of his own people even) as a hero


List some of your heros.

 

Anyway, I disagree quite strongly with a lot of Lenin's ideaologies (or at least his implementation of them) but I still consider him to be a hero.

i did

.and that scares me even more.


You listed one. List more of your heroes, don't even have to limit it to those who you disagree with.

 

You are honestly scared by democratic socialism? I suspect you are infact thinking of Stalin, but it's ok, I would imagine the American history sylabus doesn't differentiate between the two, nor between them and the devil. if you're ever interested in learning something about Lenin, Marx and democratic socialism, then just give me a bell.

yes, i know who lenin is and marx and stalin. and no i will not be inquiring you about the awesomeness of communism.

another one.... Jesus



sapphi_snake on 24 August 2011
osamanobama said:
scottie said:
osamanobama said:
scottie said:
osamanobama said:


that scares me. i could never view a mass murderer (of his own people even) as a hero


List some of your heros.

 

Anyway, I disagree quite strongly with a lot of Lenin's ideaologies (or at least his implementation of them) but I still consider him to be a hero.

i did

.and that scares me even more.


You listed one. List more of your heroes, don't even have to limit it to those who you disagree with.

 

You are honestly scared by democratic socialism? I suspect you are infact thinking of Stalin, but it's ok, I would imagine the American history sylabus doesn't differentiate between the two, nor between them and the devil. if you're ever interested in learning something about Lenin, Marx and democratic socialism, then just give me a bell.

yes, i know who lenin is and marx and stalin. and no i will not be inquiring you about the awesomeness of communism.

another one.... Jesus

You disagree with Jesus ideologically???



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sapphi_snake on 24 August 2011
scottie said:
osamanobama said:
scottie said:
osamanobama said:


that scares me. i could never view a mass murderer (of his own people even) as a hero


List some of your heros.

 

Anyway, I disagree quite strongly with a lot of Lenin's ideaologies (or at least his implementation of them) but I still consider him to be a hero.

i did

.and that scares me even more.


You listed one. List more of your heroes, don't even have to limit it to those who you disagree with.

 

You are honestly scared by democratic socialism? I suspect you are infact thinking of Stalin, but it's ok, I would imagine the American history sylabus doesn't differentiate between the two, nor between them and the devil. if you're ever interested in learning something about Lenin, Marx and democratic socialism, then just give me a bell.

This line is just brilliant!



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

Blacksaber on 24 August 2011
sapphi_snake said:
scottie said:
osamanobama said:
scottie said:
osamanobama said:


that scares me. i could never view a mass murderer (of his own people even) as a hero


List some of your heros.

 

Anyway, I disagree quite strongly with a lot of Lenin's ideaologies (or at least his implementation of them) but I still consider him to be a hero.

i did

.and that scares me even more.


You listed one. List more of your heroes, don't even have to limit it to those who you disagree with.

 

You are honestly scared by democratic socialism? I suspect you are infact thinking of Stalin, but it's ok, I would imagine the American history sylabus doesn't differentiate between the two, nor between them and the devil. if you're ever interested in learning something about Lenin, Marx and democratic socialism, then just give me a bell.

This line is just brilliant!


Scottie isn't that off really since the textbook I had during high school demonized both Marx and Lenin as being Stalin clones. Really it's sad to see how badly textbooks which are suppose to show history are tainted with nationalistic tones which twist the truth. Though I guess I'll take their twists over their over use of ignoring anything that will paint the country in any negative light, but I'm just rambling off topic.



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Joelcool7 on 24 August 2011
Jumpin said:
Rule of thumb, if your ideologies are different from those of those you consider heroes, then your ideologies are probably wrong.


How so?

Having respect for and loving someone you disagree with and seeing their accomplishments is in no way saying something bad about your own beliefs.

Now I admit Jack Layton is one of very few people I disagree with yet view as a hero.

But lets even say respect.

I disagree with several users here on VGChartz from Sapphi to Seece. Yet I have great respect for them in almost all cases. We disagree yet I try to understand their view points and perspectives. Heck I've clashed with PearlJammer in many threads to, yet both I and PearlJammer and many other users who I clash with have mutual respect for one another. Not sure if they respect me, but all those I listed have shown me decency in most cases and respect.

Just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean you can't respect them. Love them, recognise their accomplishments or see them as a Hero.

Another example I admire Buddhist Monks and Catholic Monks. For their dedication and their ferver. Yet I disagree with both ideologically. However their passion and such is both admirable and respectable despite my disagreements ideologically.

Infact the Muslim's who get killed standing up for their faiths, or the Jews or anyone who dies for their faith. I have great respect for even though I don't follow their religion or belief system.

The ability to look past some ideological views and see people for who they really are, doesn't mean your views are strained or that you are in any way less dedicated to those beliefs.

Its highly close minded to only respect those you agree with. It does alot more harm then good especially in a democracy.



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