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sapphi_snake said:

I guess right-wing terrorist really is on the rise. First Norway, and now this. And LOL @ the ideea that only muslims are terrorists.


Anyone who says ONLY Muslims are terrorists is an idiot, anyone who says MOST terrorist attacks are by Muslims is correct.

Just go to www.thereligionofpeace.com they literally have a counter on weekly/monthly/yearly terrorist attacks since 9/11. In July alone 705 people were killed by Mulsim terrorist attacks. 7 times more than the Norway killing. And they aren't making this shit up either, they list each attack individually and you can do a google search and see every one of them is real. 

I'm not hating on all Muslims here, I know its just the radical crazy ones that do these killings. Just like its only a couple crazy people that have done/tried these recent attacks (Norway and now Spain). 



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Kynes said:
Troll_Whisperer said:
Kynes said:
Troll_Whisperer said:
Kynes said:
He has been released, maybe he wasn't as dangerous as that news report made him appear.

He's been released, but it was on bail. Also, he has to go to a police station twice a day, cannot leave the country, his passport has been confiscated and he's address and phone number have been has been set.

 


Do you really think that if he was really dangerous, he would have been released in any form?

He's basically unders surveillance, so even if he it was just a "joke" he could be dangerous, he could end up carrying out his plan, now or in the future.

Why so defensive about someone who's basically threatening to murder a group of people because of their ideology?


Because I reckon how this unfolds. This is the typical situation where something gets a lot of exposure, then it ends in almost nothing, but we don't get the same exposure of the real facts in the mainstream media. I live in Spain, I read Spanish newspapers and watch Spanish tv, and this has been used by most tv stations (TVE, Tele5, La Sexta and Cuatro) and some newspapers and radio stations to incite the hate towards the Catholics and the Pope. This has been used to incite the rage and justify the parade against the Catholics and the Pope, where anarchists threw lots of one litter beer glass bottles against the pilgrims and the police. It seems that there are some politicians who need this confrontation and anger to propel their opportunities in the next elections.

Yes, the media and politicians tend to exaggerate. What's new? The politicians also use ETA in Spain to their advantage when 80% of detainees end up out with no charges, but you don't see that in the Spanish media. They use hate to propel their opportunities in the next elections. That doesn't mean you have to take potential criminals lightly, especially when they have a proven record of hate that can end up badly.



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Kynes said:


Because I reckon how this unfolds. This is the typical situation where something gets a lot of exposure, then it ends in almost nothing, but we don't get the same exposure of the real facts in the mainstream media. I live in Spain, I read Spanish newspapers and watch Spanish tv, and this has been used by most tv stations (TVE, Tele5, La Sexta and Cuatro) and some newspapers and radio stations to incite the hate towards the Catholics and the Pope. This has been used to incite the rage and justify the parade against the Catholics and the Pope, where anarchists threw lots of one litter beer glass bottles against the pilgrims and the police. It seems that there are some politicians who need this confrontation and anger to propel their opportunities in the next elections.

You are aware that the reason protesters are angry is that taxpayer money are used to fund the Pope's visit, no? This greately angers people who respect freedom of religion (plus, there's also Spain's economic situation to be taken in account). The protesters are right to be angry. I'm sure the Pope can pay for his own visit to Spain.



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Marks said:
sapphi_snake said:

I guess right-wing terrorist really is on the rise. First Norway, and now this. And LOL @ the ideea that only muslims are terrorists.

 


Anyone who says ONLY Muslims are terrorists is an idiot, anyone who says MOST terrorist attacks are by Muslims is correct.

Just go to www.thereligionofpeace.com they literally have a counter on weekly/monthly/yearly terrorist attacks since 9/11. In July alone 705 people were killed by Mulsim terrorist attacks. 7 times more than the Norway killing. And they aren't making this shit up either, they list each attack individually and you can do a google search and see every one of them is real. 

I'm not hating on all Muslims here, I know its just the radical crazy ones that do these killings. Just like its only a couple crazy people that have done/tried these recent attacks (Norway and now Spain). 

Not in the US.

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/

Or in Europe, where separatists are the most dangerous.

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/

Also, there's a differrence between terrorists that are muslims and islamic terrorists. A person that is a muslim could be a separatist terrorist (which is the case in many Middle-Eastern countries), just as a Catholic Irish man from Northern Ireland could be a separatist terrorist. The religion might not be the drivign factor of the terrorist attacks.

And the fact that the Norway attack's number of victims was 1/7th of the total number of victims of islamic terorists since 9/11 is actually quite worrying.



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sapphi_snake said:
Kynes said:


Because I reckon how this unfolds. This is the typical situation where something gets a lot of exposure, then it ends in almost nothing, but we don't get the same exposure of the real facts in the mainstream media. I live in Spain, I read Spanish newspapers and watch Spanish tv, and this has been used by most tv stations (TVE, Tele5, La Sexta and Cuatro) and some newspapers and radio stations to incite the hate towards the Catholics and the Pope. This has been used to incite the rage and justify the parade against the Catholics and the Pope, where anarchists threw lots of one litter beer glass bottles against the pilgrims and the police. It seems that there are some politicians who need this confrontation and anger to propel their opportunities in the next elections.

You are aware that the reason protesters are angry is that taxpayer money are used to fund the Pope's visit, no? This greately angers people who respect freedom of religion (plus, there's also Spain's economic situation to be taken in account). The protesters are right to be angry. I'm sure the Pope can pay for his own visit to Spain.

Check your facts before spreading fud:

 

http://www.larazon.es/noticia/5096-blanco-admite-que-la-jmj-no-supondra-un-gasto-para-el-estado

 

The Spanish government's (Socialist) spokesman admits that the net result will be positive.



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Kynes said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kynes said:


Because I reckon how this unfolds. This is the typical situation where something gets a lot of exposure, then it ends in almost nothing, but we don't get the same exposure of the real facts in the mainstream media. I live in Spain, I read Spanish newspapers and watch Spanish tv, and this has been used by most tv stations (TVE, Tele5, La Sexta and Cuatro) and some newspapers and radio stations to incite the hate towards the Catholics and the Pope. This has been used to incite the rage and justify the parade against the Catholics and the Pope, where anarchists threw lots of one litter beer glass bottles against the pilgrims and the police. It seems that there are some politicians who need this confrontation and anger to propel their opportunities in the next elections.

You are aware that the reason protesters are angry is that taxpayer money are used to fund the Pope's visit, no? This greately angers people who respect freedom of religion (plus, there's also Spain's economic situation to be taken in account). The protesters are right to be angry. I'm sure the Pope can pay for his own visit to Spain.

Check your facts before spreading fud:

 

http://www.larazon.es/noticia/5096-blanco-admite-que-la-jmj-no-supondra-un-gasto-para-el-estado

 

The Spanish government's (Socialist) spokesman admits that the net result will be positive.

Taxpayer money was used to fund this religious event. Whatever benefit that this even allegedly brings is outweighted by this travesty against freedom of religion and secularism. How would Spanish catholics like it if their tax money was used to fund trips to Mecca for muslim Spaniards?



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"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

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sapphi_snake said:
Kynes said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kynes said:


Because I reckon how this unfolds. This is the typical situation where something gets a lot of exposure, then it ends in almost nothing, but we don't get the same exposure of the real facts in the mainstream media. I live in Spain, I read Spanish newspapers and watch Spanish tv, and this has been used by most tv stations (TVE, Tele5, La Sexta and Cuatro) and some newspapers and radio stations to incite the hate towards the Catholics and the Pope. This has been used to incite the rage and justify the parade against the Catholics and the Pope, where anarchists threw lots of one litter beer glass bottles against the pilgrims and the police. It seems that there are some politicians who need this confrontation and anger to propel their opportunities in the next elections.

You are aware that the reason protesters are angry is that taxpayer money are used to fund the Pope's visit, no? This greately angers people who respect freedom of religion (plus, there's also Spain's economic situation to be taken in account). The protesters are right to be angry. I'm sure the Pope can pay for his own visit to Spain.

Check your facts before spreading fud:

 

http://www.larazon.es/noticia/5096-blanco-admite-que-la-jmj-no-supondra-un-gasto-para-el-estado

 

The Spanish government's (Socialist) spokesman admits that the net result will be positive.

Taxpayer money was used to fund this religious event. Whatever benefit that this even allegedly brings is outweighted by this travesty against freedom of religion and secularism. How would Spanish catholics like it if their tax money was used to fund trips to Mecca for muslim Spaniards?

If it would have a net positive result for the Spanish economy, then I'm almost sure the protests would be minimal, if any. The problem is that atheists in Spain, and mostly in the entire world, protest against Christians in general, and Catholics in particular, but they almost never protest against Muslims. The problem isn't that a religious leader has come to Spain, the problem is that he's the Pope, and what he represents.



Kynes said:

If it would have a net positive result for the Spanish economy, then I'm almost sure the protests would be minimal, if any. The problem is that atheists in Spain, and mostly in the entire world, protest against Christians in general, and Catholics in particular, but they almost never protest against Muslims. The problem isn't that a religious leader has come to Spain, the problem is that he's the Pope, and what he represents.

No, the problem is that this is a religious event funded by taxpayer money. A Government (in a democratic secular country at least), is not allowed to fund such an event. Believe it or not, but lots of people actually care about things like freedom of religion, and dislike it when it is broken, this being such a case. And I don't see any Western Governments funding trips to Mecca for muslims, so why would anyone protest against them?



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sapphi_snake said:
Kynes said:

If it would have a net positive result for the Spanish economy, then I'm almost sure the protests would be minimal, if any. The problem is that atheists in Spain, and mostly in the entire world, protest against Christians in general, and Catholics in particular, but they almost never protest against Muslims. The problem isn't that a religious leader has come to Spain, the problem is that he's the Pope, and what he represents.

No, the problem is that this is a religious event funded by taxpayer money. A Government (in a democratic secular country at least), is not allowed to fund such an event. Believe it or not, but lots of people actually care about things like freedom of religion, and dislike it when it is broken, this being such a case. And I don't see any Western Governments funding trips to Mecca for muslims, so why would anyone protest against them?


First of all, you were the one who put the trips to Mecca example, if you think it's an absurd example, you are the culprit of using it in the first time.

 

You need to take a look at the 16.3 article of the Spanish constitution. Spain isn't a secular country, a la France. We don't have an official religion, but the Catholic church has some benefits due to tradition and the great supportive actions it does to the Spanish government, as schools, hospitals, elderly asylums... dependent of the Catholic church are way cheaper to the taxpayer, one student in a catholic school is more than 50% cheaper than one in a public one. One of the benefits it has is the possibility every taxpayer has to decide if he wants to provide a 0,7% to fund it, to fund other NPOs, to split the money between both options, or do neither and provide all his tax money to the government funding.



Kynes said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kynes said:

If it would have a net positive result for the Spanish economy, then I'm almost sure the protests would be minimal, if any. The problem is that atheists in Spain, and mostly in the entire world, protest against Christians in general, and Catholics in particular, but they almost never protest against Muslims. The problem isn't that a religious leader has come to Spain, the problem is that he's the Pope, and what he represents.

No, the problem is that this is a religious event funded by taxpayer money. A Government (in a democratic secular country at least), is not allowed to fund such an event. Believe it or not, but lots of people actually care about things like freedom of religion, and dislike it when it is broken, this being such a case. And I don't see any Western Governments funding trips to Mecca for muslims, so why would anyone protest against them?


First of all, you were the one who put the trips to Mecca example, if you think it's an absurd example, you are the culprit of using it in the first time.

 

You need to take a look at the 16.3 article of the Spanish constitution. Spain isn't a secular country, a la France. We don't have an official religion, but the Catholic church has some benefits due to tradition and the great supportive actions it does to the Spanish government, as schools, hospitals, elderly asylums... dependent of the Catholic church are way cheaper to the taxpayer, one student in a catholic school is more than 50% cheaper than one in a public one. One of the benefits it has is the possibility every taxpayer has to decide if he wants to provide a 0,7% to fund it, to fund other NPOs, to split the money between both options, or do neither and provide all his tax money to the government funding.

I think that the ideea of the Spanish Government funding trips to Mecca for muslims is as absurd as they funding the Pope's visit.

If Spain isn't a secular country, then I assume it's a theocracy, no? I mean, if the Catholic Church recieves 'benefits', then it's pretty obvious that's the case. These 'benefits' recieved by Catholic Church undermine people's freedom of religion (provided there even is such a right in Spain). I assume that the Catholic Church recieves additional funding, outside that 0.7% of tax money people may or may not choose to give it, no?



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"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

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"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

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