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ethomaz said:
non-gravity said:
Did Sony actually release a profit (or loss) figure specifically for the Playstation division this quarter?

1.7 billion yen (CPS division)

That is still more than Playstation alone, but I would dare to say the OP's talk of recent Sony losses is bullocks



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non-gravity said:
ethomaz said:
non-gravity said:
Did Sony actually release a profit (or loss) figure specifically for the Playstation division this quarter?

1.7 billion yen (CPS division)

That is still more than Playstation alone, but I would dare to say the OP's talk of recent Sony losses is bullocks

Yeap... there are no PlayStation Division... the PlayStation's products is within CPS Division.

CPS = Bravia LCD TV, PlayStation and Vaio.



Whose to say MS isn't spending money already working on their next gen console? Either way yeah, they are the only ones profiting right now. It's a friggin' 180 looking at their past (2006 and earlier) in terms of loss/profit.



It's just that simple.

ethomaz said:
non-gravity said:
ethomaz said:
non-gravity said:
Did Sony actually release a profit (or loss) figure specifically for the Playstation division this quarter?

1.7 billion yen (CPS division)

That is still more than Playstation alone, but I would dare to say the OP's talk of recent Sony losses is bullocks

Yeap... there are no PlayStation Division... the PlayStation's products is within CPS Division.

CPS = Bravia LCD TV, PlayStation and Vaio.

oh FGS they've changed it again, NWS was Bravia, LCDTV PS ect, this just means they've shoved even more in together, so the picture is even less clear.



 

RolStoppable said:
Seece said:

Yeah, the 3DS cut was most certainly not in their foreseeable future when they launched in the west, I don't get the drastic cut tbh, I think $199, with a strong SW line up at xmas would have been better for the company ... they don't have to have huge sales from the get go, it's obviously very very early days for the 3DS.

But if they keep cutting DS and Wii forecast then yeah they can drop further, and despite the cut, 3DS still might not live up to their 16 mill forecast, I mean they have 15.3M left to go in 3 Q's ... and they still have a lot of stock out there (1 mill)

If Nintendo wants third party support (and apparently they do), then they need huge sales from the get go, because by now you should know that Nintendo pretty much has no room for error when it comes to third party relationships. $199 would still be expensive for a handheld, so I think it was the right move to go a step further. In the short term it may look like a bad decision, but this price cut will pay off in the long run.

Another important aspect of their forecasts is the yen to dollar exchange rate. Their new forecasts are based on an even weaker dollar, so that's part of the problem (something Nintendo can't do anything about, unfortunately). It's getting tough for Japanese companies on the whole; Microsoft has the benefit of being an American company that does most of its business in its home country.

Nintendo would be better off trying to make good relations with a few key 3rd party devs like THQ and nuturing them like Sony do their 2nd party devs.

Nintendo seems to be lying on its back for 3rd parties but I don't think 3rd parties will ever be loyal to Nintendo.



 

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No lol. There all making money. VGC is portraying it wrong. Basicly they all just made more last year except for Microsoft which is making more this year. What VGC means by loss is loss in profit. So Sony and Nintendo profited more last year than this year.



fallen said:
zarx said:

New platforms are expensive to introduce and MS are the only ones currently not introducing one. Also the Xbox brand has been bleeding hundreds of millions for years and cost billions to establish and will need another 15 years of profit to make the money back. 

Being the only one bassed in the USA where they make they majority of thier sales also helps with the weak US dollar which hurts Sony and Nintendo.


Uhh no. 360 is likely already profitable for it's life, which leaves just the ~4b they lost on Xbox 1. Additionaly, it's been all smooth profitable sailing for 360 for years now, and like PS2 it will have many profitable future years. All wild speculation on my part but I'm guessing 360 could erase all Xbox 1 losses by the time it's said and done. Leaving their next system to start out in the black.

Doesnt sound impressive but for a company like MS to break into videogames and create a worthy brand like Xbox, get millions of boxes on top of TV's, create the XBL network which is used to sell movies and so on, and not lose any money over it? Pure gold for them.

And Vita is FAR from the only reason Sony is losing money. In fact they're losing less money now that they're introducing Vita than they were before. Ps3 is why they lost so much money in the past. Now they are doing better because PS3 hardware is profitable.

 


Hes right. Nintendos Wii was the only profitable system from the very beginning. Microsoft and Sony were bleeding money from the beginning of the  gen until about 3-4 years after launch. Sony and Nintendo know gamings roots. It involves some sort of handheld market and they they are both capitalizing on it. The handheld market is larger than that. Handhelds are more profitable than Kinect. It's Microsoft who is out of the loop my friend. Look how many PSP's and DS portables have been sold. Microsoft doesn't dedicate enough companies into variety. The focus companies on one thing or nothing at all. They still have a lot to learn.



how is the WiiU and 3DS bad hardware?




No. Obviously. Not that they're not doing very well. But no.



Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

S.T.A.G.E. said:


Hes right. Nintendos Wii was the only profitable system from the very beginning. Microsoft and Sony were bleeding money from the beginning of the  gen until about 3-4 years after launch. Sony and Nintendo know gamings roots. It involves some sort of handheld market and they they are both capitalizing on it. The handheld market is larger than that. Handhelds are more profitable than Kinect. It's Microsoft who is out of the loop my friend. Look how many PSP's and DS portables have been sold. Microsoft doesn't dedicate enough companies into variety. The focus companies on one thing or nothing at all. They still have a lot to learn.

Your posts are becoming more laughable. MS would stupid to enter the handheld market, now more then ever. MS Xbox division was profiting 2 years after 360 debuted, not 3 - 4.