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dsage01 on 23 July 2011
GreyianStorm said:
Lyrikalstylez said:
Nsanity said:
Dark_Feanor said:

My point is that look like people here have a fixation for this game, and how much in the far future it will sell.

I can`t undertant why this game is so important. None of my friends that have PS3 cares for this game. They prefer FIFA, PES, Naruto NS, Motal Kombat or Street Fighter. And my friends that have only Xbox 360 (like myself) would like to play Uncharted, God of War and Killzone.

This is the only game forum that I see such a passion for GT5. 

I know it might sound stupid but certain individuals want GT5 to outsell Halo so they can brag it about or reassure themselves that the franchise is far from declining.


couldn't have said it any better......As I recall I estimated around 7 million life time which is currently about right, compared to other "certain users who where claiming +10 million life time sold *chuckles*

 

I Dont care anyways


You originally said 4-6 million actually, after the first sales figures were released too.

 

In respect to the OP, I think it depends on your definition of mass bundling. If the game is bundled with only some hardware, and at the full price of the standalone system and the game, then it won't really change much. If it's bundled at close to/the same price as a console by itself, and is widespead, it could add millions of sales in a short period of time (for example, if all hardware shipped for a quarter was  bundled).

If GT5 is mass bundled, I'd expect it to outsell Reach by a sizeable margin, but it wouldn't really mean much, as standalone sales (or sales bundled, but at full price) are far more significant for measuring how widespread a game's popularity is.

LOL fail at hating on a game. Ummm do you have no idea of GT5'S legs. And currently it's tracking ahead of GTA 4 and GT4 which are at 8 + million right now. If you want to hate at least do it right.



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Nsanity on 23 July 2011

Your trying too hard.



yo_john117 on 23 July 2011
dsage01 said:
enrageorange said:

dsage you keep saying sales would be the same if neither game was bundled. But we have shown you so much evidence that GT5 is indeed being bundled far more than halo reach.

 

 

And the only reason GT5 is appearing in EMEAA charts so high is because it is being bundled. If you haven't noticed the GT5 is pretty much never seen in more than one country in the PAL charts anymore, yet it somehow consistantly better selling then games that appear multiple times.

 

Yeah 1 or 2 bundles that are hardly available? Look at all the Reach bundles:

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=Halo+Reach+bundle&um=1&hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=N&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:{referrer:source%3F}&tbm=isch&tbnid=sBVMKAbt244gXM:&imgrefurl=http://news.

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=Halo+Reach+and+Halo+3+bundle&um=1&hl=en&newwindow=1&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:{referrer:source%3F}&tbm=isch&tbnid=WvwpTDLMmdDZrM:&imgrefurl=http://nz.ioffer.com/i/xbox-360-console-limited-edition-w-halo-reach-bundle-213689470&docid=_plPguCN8dShQM&w=582&h=436&ei=sWcrTvDKIcrogQfAj6GICw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=980&vpy=500&dur=925&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=214&ty=125&page=3&tbnh=139&tbnw=184&start=57&ndsp=30&ved=1t:429,r:29,s:57&biw=1280&bih=9390

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=Halo+Reach+european+bundle&um=1&hl=en&newwindow=1&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:{referrer:source%3F}&tbm=isch&tbnid=GYZ-KWzPcN96vM:

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=halo+reach+controller+bundle&um=1&hl=en&newwindow=1&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:{referrer:source%3F}&tbm=isch&tbnid=CK-V23xF2NE44M:&imgrefurl=h

 

Now lets compare it with GT5 bundles:

 

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=gt5+bundle&um=1&hl=en&newwindow=1&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:{referrer:source%3F}&tbm=isch&tbnid=N-NGxZz3EYv9WM:&imgrefurl=http://www.ele

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=gt5+bundle&um=1&hl=en&newwindow=1&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:{referrer:source%3F}&tbm=isch&tbnid=he7q3v4cMt-i8M:&imgrefurl=http://www.gad

BTW I heard most GT5 bundles like the ones I showed you are only there for a limited time. So therefore you are prooved wrong and I stand correct

God damn it dsage! Those are all the SAME damn bundle which is the special limited edition Halo Reach 360 and it's the ONLY official bundle (at least that I know about) for Halo Reach...not to mention it costs $399 which is more expensive then a normal official bundles like the Forza3/ODST bundle one which cost $299. 

Now pay attention to this:

Neither GT5 nor Halo Reach have gotten very many sales due to bundles and neither one is really more bundled then the other so far...this is not an opinion it's a fact.



dsage01 on 23 July 2011
yo_john117 said:
dsage01 said:
enrageorange said:

dsage you keep saying sales would be the same if neither game was bundled. But we have shown you so much evidence that GT5 is indeed being bundled far more than halo reach.

 

 

And the only reason GT5 is appearing in EMEAA charts so high is because it is being bundled. If you haven't noticed the GT5 is pretty much never seen in more than one country in the PAL charts anymore, yet it somehow consistantly better selling then games that appear multiple times.

 

Yeah 1 or 2 bundles that are hardly available? Look at all the Reach bundles:

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=Halo+Reach+bundle&um=1&hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=N&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:{referrer:source%3F}&tbm=isch&tbnid=sBVMKAbt244gXM:&imgrefurl=http://news.

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=Halo+Reach+and+Halo+3+bundle&um=1&hl=en&newwindow=1&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:{referrer:source%3F}&tbm=isch&tbnid=WvwpTDLMmdDZrM:&imgrefurl=http://nz.ioffer.com/i/xbox-360-console-limited-edition-w-halo-reach-bundle-213689470&docid=_plPguCN8dShQM&w=582&h=436&ei=sWcrTvDKIcrogQfAj6GICw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=980&vpy=500&dur=925&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=214&ty=125&page=3&tbnh=139&tbnw=184&start=57&ndsp=30&ved=1t:429,r:29,s:57&biw=1280&bih=9390

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=Halo+Reach+european+bundle&um=1&hl=en&newwindow=1&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:{referrer:source%3F}&tbm=isch&tbnid=GYZ-KWzPcN96vM:

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=halo+reach+controller+bundle&um=1&hl=en&newwindow=1&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:{referrer:source%3F}&tbm=isch&tbnid=CK-V23xF2NE44M:&imgrefurl=h

 

Now lets compare it with GT5 bundles:

 

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=gt5+bundle&um=1&hl=en&newwindow=1&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:{referrer:source%3F}&tbm=isch&tbnid=N-NGxZz3EYv9WM:&imgrefurl=http://www.ele

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=gt5+bundle&um=1&hl=en&newwindow=1&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:{referrer:source%3F}&tbm=isch&tbnid=he7q3v4cMt-i8M:&imgrefurl=http://www.gad

BTW I heard most GT5 bundles like the ones I showed you are only there for a limited time. So therefore you are prooved wrong and I stand correct

God damn it dsage! Those are all the SAME damn bundle which is the special limited edition Halo Reach 360 and it's the ONLY official bundle (at least that I know about) for Halo Reach...not to mention it costs $399 which is more expensive then a normal official bundles like the Forza3/ODST bundle one which cost $299. 

Now pay attention to this:

Neither GT5 nor Halo Reach have gotten very many sales due to bundles and neither one is really more bundled then the other so far...this is not an opinion it's a fact.

Nah there's a spereate bundle for each country. And yes you are right Neither Halo Reach or GT5 have very man bundles.



dsage01 on 23 July 2011
Seece said:
dsage01 said:
Seece said:
dsage01 said:

No GT is still a bigger franchise than Halo. Both of them are huge franchises but look at it this way. Compare the marketing campaign for GT5 and Halo Reach. Then count how many times GT5 has been delayed causing dissapointed fans. Most gamers didn't even know when GT5 was releasing in North America. Now compare the metascore of both of the games. And think back which one had more competition. The only advantage GT had was it being released in holiday season but that too with plenty of competition killing the NA sales. Despite all that I'm amazed GT5 has crossed 5 million. But within 6 weeks they shipped 6.37 million. Do you think if Halo Reach was delyayed a countless amount of times got a 84 meta  

That just comes off as your chosen interpretation, metascore ect don't have that much of an impact, not to mention this is the first big GT game of the gen and Reach was the second, as was a prequal .... yet it's what, 2 mill ahead? Halo is bigger than GT as of today.

I kind of doubt that. I think Halo is turning into COD with one year life span's. As of today I think there both on the same level. One GT vs one Halo doesn't really make much of a difference. I think without bundles the sales will look like this. I think your forgeting about the long term GT legs. Most people keep going on and saying GT5 is showing to have no legs. Long term legs means the kind of legs GTA 4 has. It's still selling 10-15k a week on average just on one console. Believe me by 2013 or 2014 Halo Reach and GT5 sales will be the same. And I'm still expecting another sales update for GT5, God of War 3 and BO both PS3 and 360 versions. But it doesn't matter at the end of the day they are both great games of grat franchises

Halo main games will get back into 3 year cycles after 4, it was only possible to do Halo 4 2 years after Reach because of different dev studios. The only thing you CAN judge them on is the games latest sales, and given there has only been one GT game this gen that's all we have to judge how big the franchise is VS Halo these days. I'm sure GT will have great legs, but Halo has good legs as well. But without bundling I doubt they will be the same come 2013, you should check out what Halo Reach is selling now.

Your sales update for GT5 might turn out that we're overtracking it (as well as spot on or under) so don't assume that's a pro in GT's court!


it shipped 6.37 million in 6 weeks and takes almost 8 months for that shippment to sell out completely? Isn't that a bit strange. But yes you are right it can be sopt on too but I doubt it's undertracked



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yo_john117 on 23 July 2011
dsage01 said:
yo_john117 said:
dsage01 said:
enrageorange said:

dsage you keep saying sales would be the same if neither game was bundled. But we have shown you so much evidence that GT5 is indeed being bundled far more than halo reach.

 

 

And the only reason GT5 is appearing in EMEAA charts so high is because it is being bundled. If you haven't noticed the GT5 is pretty much never seen in more than one country in the PAL charts anymore, yet it somehow consistantly better selling then games that appear multiple times.

 

Yeah 1 or 2 bundles that are hardly available? Look at all the Reach bundles:

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=Halo+Reach+bundle&um=1&hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=N&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:{referrer:source%3F}&tbm=isch&tbnid=sBVMKAbt244gXM:&imgrefurl=http://news.

 

 

Now lets compare it with GT5 bundles:

 

 

BTW I heard most GT5 bundles like the ones I showed you are only there for a limited time. So therefore you are prooved wrong and I stand correct

God damn it dsage! Those are all the SAME damn bundle which is the special limited edition Halo Reach 360 and it's the ONLY official bundle (at least that I know about) for Halo Reach...not to mention it costs $399 which is more expensive then a normal official bundles like the Forza3/ODST bundle one which cost $299. 

Now pay attention to this:

Neither GT5 nor Halo Reach have gotten very many sales due to bundles and neither one is really more bundled then the other so far...this is not an opinion it's a fact.

Nah there's a spereate bundle for each country. And yes you are right Neither Halo Reach or GT5 have very man bundles.

Lol seriously man it's only 1 bundle and it's this one right here.

There is no other bundle then the one above.

Edit: also I don't think they are even being made anymore....the only ones left are used and a few new ones that cost WAY more.



dsage01 on 23 July 2011
yo_john117 said:
dsage01 said:
yo_john117 said:
dsage01 said:
enrageorange said:

dsage you keep saying sales would be the same if neither game was bundled. But we have shown you so much evidence that GT5 is indeed being bundled far more than halo reach.

 

 

And the only reason GT5 is appearing in EMEAA charts so high is because it is being bundled. If you haven't noticed the GT5 is pretty much never seen in more than one country in the PAL charts anymore, yet it somehow consistantly better selling then games that appear multiple times.

 

Yeah 1 or 2 bundles that are hardly available? Look at all the Reach bundles:

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=Halo+Reach+bundle&um=1&hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=N&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:{referrer:source%3F}&tbm=isch&tbnid=sBVMKAbt244gXM:&imgrefurl=http://news.

 

 

Now lets compare it with GT5 bundles:

 

 

BTW I heard most GT5 bundles like the ones I showed you are only there for a limited time. So therefore you are prooved wrong and I stand correct

God damn it dsage! Those are all the SAME damn bundle which is the special limited edition Halo Reach 360 and it's the ONLY official bundle (at least that I know about) for Halo Reach...not to mention it costs $399 which is more expensive then a normal official bundles like the Forza3/ODST bundle one which cost $299. 

Now pay attention to this:

Neither GT5 nor Halo Reach have gotten very many sales due to bundles and neither one is really more bundled then the other so far...this is not an opinion it's a fact.

Nah there's a spereate bundle for each country. And yes you are right Neither Halo Reach or GT5 have very man bundles.

Lol seriously man it's only 1 bundle and it's this one right here.

There is no other bundle then the one above.


You frogot the Japense, UK and U.S. edition. And I heard there's a controller bundle too. With one controller you get Halo Reach. But anyways lets drop this argument. It's pointless. Do you think GT5 will outsell Reach with bundling. Doesn't have to be massive just God of War 3/ Uncharted 2 type



dsage01 on 23 July 2011
mendozahotness said:
They're still bundling GT5 in Australia and Europe. The franchise is weak. Let it go.


LOL so as of now Halo, Gears of War, God of War and Uncharted are all weak franchises? GT is ahead of all of them. Try to research more before you hate.



yo_john117 on 23 July 2011
dsage01 said:
yo_john117 said:
dsage01 said:

God damn it dsage! Those are all the SAME damn bundle which is the special limited edition Halo Reach 360 and it's the ONLY official bundle (at least that I know about) for Halo Reach...not to mention it costs $399 which is more expensive then a normal official bundles like the Forza3/ODST bundle one which cost $299. 

Now pay attention to this:

Neither GT5 nor Halo Reach have gotten very many sales due to bundles and neither one is really more bundled then the other so far...this is not an opinion it's a fact.

Nah there's a spereate bundle for each country. And yes you are right Neither Halo Reach or GT5 have very man bundles.

Lol seriously man it's only 1 bundle and it's this one right here.

There is no other bundle then the one above.


You frogot the Japense, UK and U.S. edition. And I heard there's a controller bundle too. With one controller you get Halo Reach. But anyways lets drop this argument. It's pointless. Do you think GT5 will outsell Reach with bundling. Doesn't have to be massive just God of War 3/ Uncharted 2 type

Urk! those are the same bundles...it was a worldwide bundle. The only difference was the language on the box. And there is no controller bundle.

I've already said in my first post what I think will happen reguarding if GT5 will outsell Reach with bundling or not.



osamanobama on 23 July 2011
Nsanity said:
Dark_Feanor said:

My point is that look like people here have a fixation for this game, and how much in the far future it will sell.

I can`t undertant why this game is so important. None of my friends that have PS3 cares for this game. They prefer FIFA, PES, Naruto NS, Motal Kombat or Street Fighter. And my friends that have only Xbox 360 (like myself) would like to play Uncharted, God of War and Killzone.

This is the only game forum that I see such a passion for GT5. 

I know it might sound stupid but certain individuals want GT5 to outsell Halo so they can brag it about or reassure themselves that the franchise is far from declining.

so not unlike you