Oh really?

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4150115

Jul-Sept: 1.2m
Oct-Dec: 0.6m (sold 600k more than shipped)
Jan-Mar: 0.7m (shipped 100k more)
Apr-June: 0.7m (sold what it shipped)

My previous comment is about Oct-Dec quarter... so Microsoft shipped 3m and sold 3.6m... but now, Apr-June quarter, it sold what it shipped... so or NPD is wrong or EMEAA sales is overtracked / Americas sales is undertrackes (WW is fine).

And remember... NPD counted last month shipped 360 to contries outside US... so for me NPD numbers is wrong.

I have no problem with VGC more accurate than NPD... now you have some.

ethomaz said: D-Joe said: ethomaz said: D-Joe said: ethomaz said: Nintendogamer said: ethomaz said: Nintendogamer said: ethomaz said: Microsoft released the shipped number for the quarter (1.7 million)... VGC is pretty accurate... so no adjustments needed (maybe NPD is wrong). NPD usually wrong? I thought they were super accurate. It more accurate than Media Create / Famitsu and less accurate than Chart-track (or the Nintendo tracking). NPD just tracks 60% of the US market... 40% is estimated... just to compare Chart-track tracks 90% of UK market (this is super accurate). NPD make adjustments month to month too. Well NPD are known to make stealth adjustment so mayeb we shouldn't totally reply on every NPD that comes in. We all knwo that quartely report are the most accurate of course,  you can't argue with them. Yeah... quartely report is more accurate. My point is if NPD is right then the 360 is selling below VGC had it in AMEAA and over VGC had it in Americas. Just to compare... NPD (April/May/June):  1.07m in US * Americas could be something like 1.170m. Microsoft (Shipped): 1.72m So just 600k for EMEAA in three months? Or NPD is wrong or EMEAA sales for 360 is a crap... I prefer believe in NPD is wrong... I know I can be wrong too. ethomaz posted something on D-Joe's wall: Hi. I'm talking maybe MS just shipped 3M for US but sold 3.5m due to what was left of the quarter Jul-Sep... so NPD show sales like 3.5m but MS shipped just 3M for US. on 27 January 2011 | 0 comments | Add comment           forget what you said few months ago right? Another time, another case... in July-Sept VGC showed 360 with near or over 1 million on shelves (after that it dropped to 700k on shelves)... so more sales than shipped could happen... but now VGC is showing 600-700k on shelves month... so the shipped is equal a sales because the stock is not changed. Read my sentence "due to what was left of the quarter Jul-Sep"... understand? Now there nothing left of the previous quarter (600k on shelves). Or Microsoft said it was having supply problemas last quarter? If you want I can make the maths to you . Edit - That's not the first time VGC proved be more accurate than NPD... and I'm not buying the fact NPD now counts shipped 360 outside US. you don't need to make because you're already wrong 700k X 500k O Oh really? http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4150115 Jul-Sept: 1.2m Oct-Dec: 0.6m (sold 600k more than shipped) Jan-Mar: 0.7m (shipped 100k more) Apr-June: 0.7m (sold what it shipped) My previous comment is about Oct-Dec quarter... so Microsoft cloud be shipped 3m and sold 3.6m... but now, Apr-June quarter, it sold what it shipped... so or NPD is wrong or EMEAA sales is overtracked / Americas sales is undertrackes (WW is fine). And remember... NPD counted last month shipped 360 to contries outside US... so for me NPD numbers is wrong.

50.8-50.4=?

and it's 50.9(according to MS),great math

thats Michael Pachter's thinking,not data,and it's impossible

keep "for me"to your mind,thanks

I'm fine with VGC numbers... MS report showed VGC numbers are accurate... NPD not... so why do you think 360 is undertacked and NPD is ok? I can't undertand because you didn't show nothing to prove your point.

B-b-b-b-but he showed his bias, isn't that enough? :p More seriously It's getting sad, Wii is slowily getting back to its ante-pricecut numbers, if the same happends when X360/PS3 have their own price cut, then this generation is really dying.

is this your closing statements?i don't care numbers now(maybe care again later),i just care how great is your math when you don't even know answer of 50.9-50.4

now i'm gonna sleep,you have 4~10hours to explain or not

lol ethomaz and DJ :P I love your arguments..honest to god have no idea what's going on most of the time but I like reading them

That's BHR-3 mistake and it don't change my argument.

I have no idea why you are so angry because I said that MS report showed VGC accuracy and NPD fail.

I think that unlike last year when MS was shipping out new SKUs in June and shipping as much as they could. This year I think they are clearing stock for new SKU (larger flash/HDD) for the fall. I assume this fall HDD version will match the 320GB drives in the Limited Edition Gears3 and Limited Edition Star Wars Kinect bundles. I also think likely the Arcade model will start coming with 8GB of flash.

both of their english is so broken, im having a hard time following whats going on, what they are arguing about.

to me it sounds like ethomaz is saying VGZ ihas xbox tracked more or less correct with 700k on selves. if that is what he is saying, i dont see what the problem is, why D-joe and seece seem angry.

also it seems he is saying if NPD is correct then VGC has it under tracked in US and over in EMMEA, or NPD is wrong. and again i dont see the problem in that.

or am i missing something

yeah that's what ethomaz is saying and he is trying real hard to show what he means by showing facts too...

seece is always a lil angry :P or comes off as such. D joe is angry with ethomaz all the time..dunno why. think he saying xbox is undertracked or something..

either way it's entertaining :P