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Can a movement similar to fascism emerge in the US?

Yes 67 56.78%
 
No 21 17.80%
 
Not a "movement sim... 27 22.88%
 
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sapphi_snake said:

I'd have to read Uncle Tom's Cabin before beign able to judge how racist the term "political Uncle Tom" would be.

Not really. The Uncle Tom stereotype has nothing really to do with the character from the book, who is actually a pretty heroic figure. It derives from the minstrel shows based on the book which weren't authorized by Harriet Beecher Stowe and ended up portraying Tom as a weak, servile character who falls all over himself to ingratiate himself to whites.



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badgenome said:
sapphi_snake said:

I'd have to read Uncle Tom's Cabin before beign able to judge how racist the term "political Uncle Tom" would be.

Not really. The Uncle Tom stereotype has nothing really to do with the character from the book, who is actually a pretty heroic figure. It derives from the minstrel shows based on the book which weren't authorized by Harriet Beecher Stowe and ended up portraying Tom as a weak, servile character who falls all over himself to ingratiate himself to whites.

That explains it.  I never could figure out why that came from that book.

Considering... it seemed like Uncle Tom was the exact opposite of an Uncle Tom... considering the ending.


As for what an Uncle Tom is....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pnXj1ppsx0



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Wrong.

Modern day conservatives want liberty and freedom - but primarily for market sectors, and not personal sectors. That is 'conservative' as most nations have had less regulation/economic controls in the past, thus they want to 'conserve' this. Likewise, most personal freedoms have been restricted in the past, thus want to 'conserve' it.

Likewise, modern day liberals want the opposite of this - market restrictions and personal freedoms.

Well, economic liberalism is only a small part of overall liberalism. Overall conservatives still don't care much for freedom or liberty.

Given that you've never held a job, run a business, or hired anyone, I believe you don't know enough about the subject to make such an assertion.

Economic liberty to those that work, employ people, or run a business is just as valid as those that engage in personal liberties. Furthermore, heavily liberal ideologies also support redistribution of all workers' incomes in various fashions means that they are directly pre-empting your work with their own views of where your livelihood should go. Additionally, it means in some cases, you may or may not buy certain goods or services to which they deem are improper for society (such as fatty food taxes, wage and salary caps by economic sector, price controls). These things are just as egregious as the state deciding who you can marry, what you can say in a public domain, what you may smoke or drink, and the like.

I actually don't think they're on the same level. And if I have to choose, I'll choose the side that's defending what I care about more. Still, conservatives are hardly liberal even in economic matters. They're the chief opponents of things like legalizing drugs or prostitution, and unlike liberals who give somewhat compelling reasons for things they want to restrict/ban something, conservatives base their arguments on irrational things like religion (basically their dislike of personal freedoms extends in the economical sphere also).

liberals (in america) are completely inconsistant in what they value as rights, it constintly changes in order to gain a bigger voter base. they pander and change just so they can get votes.

and in our country our rights are God given, not by government


God doesn't exist.


if you are going to make such definitive statements on the subject you must have definitive proof...? 


Well, in the big picture of things if you're talking about some generic deistic God, then I don't have any proof that such a god doesn't exist other than the fact that if there was one you would think that it would show itself in some fashion which it has never done.

 If on the other hand you're implying as most people seem to do and as Osamanobama was that that "God" is Yahweh and that Yahweh was the father of Jesus and the creator of everything in the universe and all people must follow his laws or go to Hell some day, then I would consider the fact that since Yahweh was just a literary invention of the Bible's J author and based upon a hodgepodge of other earlier Egyptian and Mesoptamian Gods, then I would say that that is definitive proof that God meaning Yahweh the God of Judeao-Christianity  and Islam and that most American Conservatives claim is God definitely doesn't exist.

Oh, here it is folks! The open minded, freedom loving,  tolerant liberal has SPOKEN! Listen to this voice of reason or face the fury of the judgement that he so heavly accuses Christians of !!!!

Well, I am convinced !!!!! Thats such a compeling evidence, I dont know how could have I been so blind! Thank you for opening my eyes with this remarkable post !!!!!

 

But seriously, thats has to be the most ignorant thing I have ever read in my whole life. And I know I said this few times back, but this time I actually mean this


Oh, I guess it's only ignorant because you haven't done the proper research.  I bet you haven't even had one class in Higher Biblical Criticism at a major university.  That would really explain why you have no idea as to how the Bible was actually written.

 

Here are a few links to help you come out of your cloud of ignorance:

On How Yahweh was based on earlier Gods from the Mesopotamian and Egyptian regions:

http://www.karenlyster.com/sitchina.html (note:  I definitely don't come to the same conclusions as Sitchin but he does a good job of demonstration how the earlier Sumerian religion influenced the later Hebrew one's conception of its God).

 

On The J author -- the original author of the Torah that invented Yahweh from a hodgepodge of the earlier Gods of that region ( http://www.thesatirist.com/books/BookOfJ.html )

On the Documentary Hypothesis and further elaboration upon how The Torah was conceived (before it's completion four other authors or schools of authors were instrumental in bringing The Bible to its final form (The E author that felt that the J author was wrong in only having one of the gods in her version of the Bible and the later three groups of priestly authors that brought The Bible back to including only one God as it's easier to control the populace when they're only following one God and following the example of ancient Egypt knew that if you could control a populace's beliefs then you could control their actions added most of the laws that are included in The Old Testament)

Wellhausen -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Wellhausen

Massey -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Massey

On The Documentary Hypothesis of the construction of The Torah -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_hypothesis

 

Next time due a bit of study and research so that you won't be so surprised when a new idea to you that you consider to be ignorant actually turns out to be true.

That only suggestes (it doesnt prove) that Torah was written during different periods of time .Symbolics in todays abrahamic religions are from pagan religions - no one is denying that. But the specifics of an abrahamic God (which is the God christians worship) were originally presented to mankind by Moses. And the linking of pagan Gods to an abrahamic one has already been debunked dozens of times by now. Its something simmilar to what Zeitgeist tried to pull off and failed hardly

http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/articles/zeitgeist/part-one/

That link should show why linking pagan gods and saints to an abrahamic God is dumb

Even in one of those articles it says that Yehweh bears little resemblance of the God Christians worship, so its very likely that they had no idea who Yahweh was or they mixed them up with some of the pagan figures. Pagan symbolics are present in todays abrahaic religions - but not the concep of God himself.

 

Actually, I haven't looked into Zeitgeist that closely, however, if most of its critics happen to be Chritsians, in my opinion that wouldn't be indicative of its failing hard.  And all that you have to do to see the much earlier Sumerian influence on the religion of the Hebrews is go back and read the Babylonian and Sumerian texts which are very much in existance today.  Yahweh is very much based on Ea and Enki and to some extent on the Egyptian monotheistic traditions started by the Egyptian King Akhenaten and by the Persian Zoroaster.  As widely regarded a figure as Sugmund Freud believed Moses to have been a priest of Akhenaten's order. 

As for the Documentary Hypothesis, without a doubt, it is very much the accepted scholarly notion of how The Bible was written and is taught in every major university and Howard Bloom author of the Book of J is a highly distinguished professor at Yale University.  One could lable someone like Gerald Massey or Acharya S. as being a bit pseudoscientific perhaps though I think it would mainly be the Christians or someone with stock in the Christian religion that would want to do so. However, a book that has long been without scholarly reproach Sir James G. Frazier's The Golden Bough covers the same ground and though considered to be a bit dated is very much considered an authoritative work dealing with much the same material.


So your argument for defending Zeitgeist is that Christians were debunking it so it has to be wrong? Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?  Go read that article and if you want, I can show you a set of videos that debunk Zeitgests's connection of mosses to other people from pagan religions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NElDmGdBOoI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prbuPh4tj-E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOmIDNd8e20

These are only small, short and fast debunkings, but for the full disprovmment of linking Christianity to pagan religions see the link here

http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/articles/zeitgeist/part-one/

Like I said before, pagan symbolics are largely present in Christianity, but the claims that Christianity originated from pagan religions has been debunked quite the few times already


Well, I watched the videos that you linked here and much as I figured they would they all come from Zeitgeist Refuted and actually take a heavy handed pro Christian slant to the whole affair.  They actually presented claims of their own that there is no real evidence to support like its assertion that there was a worldwide flood just as described in the Bible (and earlier myths) which is something that is definitely not considered to have ever been a real historical event, the material on Moses and Sargon both being pulled from a reed boat from a river doesn't really indicate anything about whether or not Moses was a real person and even if it could have been dated to a time comprable to the same story being told about Sargon that only shows that most likely both accounts of that story were desceneded from an even earlier legend popular at that time about yet another personage,  and the narrator's claim that Moses himself wrote the Bible which is yet another idea that most reputable modern scholars have totally refuted with their acceptance of the Documentary Hypothesis which says that the Bible was begun around 1,000 BCE and that is the idea that is taught about their origin in most major universities.  Also 

As I said before I've never watched Zeitgeist (although I am a bit familiar with the works of Gerald Massey and Archarya S.  However, I have studied Biblical hermaneutics and the Documentary Hypothesis at the University level ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcqyIOePjeo,   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_hypothesis and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_hermeneutics ) .  And this video (especially its last half) gives a good introduction to this material (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfzslZ8tFNw ) .

 

I base the main tenents of my theory upon the way that the vast majority of reputable scholars believe the Torah to have been written.  ie The J author the very first Biblical author as written about by Harold Bloom and David Rosenberg in their book The Book of J ( http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Book_of_J.html?id=xDJKaYWzrvwC ) whom they maintain was an educated courtesan writing a narrative of her family's history about 950 BCE was not necessarily writing a book that was supposed to be taken literally for its spiritual content and really the only laws she has in her version of the Bible are The Ten Commandments and to me it seems that she  was following the trend that was becoming popular at her time and also for simplicity of the story's  sake she decided to introduce the concept of one God, Yahweh, in her narrative story.

 Now I believe we have evidence from the fact that the E School, the second school of writers that took their turn at writing the Biblical narrative,disproved of the fact that the J author only included the concept of one god in her narrative, so they reintroduced the notion of polytheism into the Biblical texts as evidenced from the fact that we can find passages in their portions of  Genesis accounts wherein Yahweh speaks of himself in  plural forms of speech.  And it is the accepted scholarly opinion that the E School did reintroduce a strand of polytheism into the Biblical texts (   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6EJPSrOfJg ) .

It is my opinion that the P ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGh-2Mc9rGc ) ,  D ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXvGtMT59SI ) ,  and R ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fZoS9O2ado ) Schools of Biblical authors that came much later than J and E  and reintroduced the concept of there being only one God (because it's easier to control many people with just one God than with a wide variety of divergent Gods)  into the text and added the bulk of the laws, restrictions, and rituals found in the Bible did so ( and quite possibly because they knew were following the example of Egypt with its religious based slave system and it was an idea that was later picked up by Constantine in his turn ) largely to set up a system of belief for controlling their populace and for keeping them obediant to God and to the Hebrew Priestly classes. 

It would have been into this milieau thast the historical Jesus was born and probably he did find fault with the fact that the priests were able to set themselves up as virtual gods over the general population and wanted to restore an older order more equitable to each citizen of his tribe which was probably the reason that he found himself in trouble with the authorities of his time.

However, all the cosmological qualities attached to Jesus were shared by many other dieties of that area and were mainly attached to him so that his cult could eventually be the major one of the Roman Empire ie. The Roman Catholic Church.

If you find fault with Zeitgeist, James Frazer's The Golden Bough ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Bough )is considered a classic of world literature and has been highly regarded by some of the greatest scholars of the last 100+ years and it very much goes into how the cultic / mythological aspects ascribed to Jesus are very similar to those of many other solar gods.  



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VP6TMd5e_o -- Sounds like a step in the fascistic direction.



badgenome said:
sapphi_snake said:

I'd have to read Uncle Tom's Cabin before being able to judge how racist the term "political Uncle Tom" would be.

Not really. The Uncle Tom stereotype has nothing really to do with the character from the book, who is actually a pretty heroic figure. It derives from the minstrel shows based on the book which weren't authorized by Harriet Beecher Stowe and ended up portraying Tom as a weak, servile character who falls all over himself to ingratiate himself to whites.

Ah, I see now. The term "political Uncle Tom" isn't racist though, as long as it can generally be applied to anyone who goes out of his way to please the opposing party (regardless of skin colour, though even if it can be applied only to black people, it would just be pointing out self degradation for trying to please racists).



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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/world/europe/24europe.html?hp

Norway Attacks Put Spotlight on Rise of Right-Wing Sentiment in Europe
By NICHOLAS KULISH

BERLIN — The attacks in Oslo on Friday have riveted new attention on right-wing extremists not just in Norway but across Europe, where opposition to Muslim immigrants, globalization, the power of the European Union and the drive toward multiculturalism has proven a potent political force and, in a few cases, a spur to violence.

The success of populist parties appealing to a sense of lost national identity has brought criticism of minorities, immigrants and in particular Muslims out of the beer halls and Internet chat rooms and into mainstream politics. While the parties themselves generally do not condone violence, some experts say a climate of hatred in the political discourse has encouraged violent individuals.

“I’m not surprised when things like the bombing in Norway happen, because you will always find people who feel more radical means are necessary,” said Joerg Forbrig, an analyst at the German Marshall Fund in Berlin who has studied far-right issues in Europe. “It literally is something that can happen in a number of places and there are broader problems behind it.”

Last November a Swedish man was arrested in the southern city of Malmö in connection with more than a dozen unsolved shootings of immigrants, including one fatality. The shootings, nine of which took place between June and October 2010, appeared to be the work of an isolated individual. More broadly in Sweden, though, the far-right Sweden Democrats experienced new success at the polls. The party entered Parliament for the first time after winning 5.7 percent of the vote in the general election last September.

The bombing and shootings in Oslo also have served as a wake-up call for security services in Europe and the United States that in recent years have become so focused on Islamic terrorists that they may have underestimated the threat of domestic radicals, including those upset by what they see as the influence of Islam.

In the United States the deadly attacks have reawakened memories of the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995, where a right-wing extremist, Timothy J. McVeigh, used a fertilizer bomb to blow up a federal government building, killing 168 people. That deadly act had long since been overshadowed by the events of Sept. 11, 2001.

According to Mr. Forbrig, isolated right-wing groups in Europe would rise up and then quickly disappear from the ’60s into the ’90s. But in recent years far-right statements have appeared to lose much of their post-World War II taboo even among some prominent political parties.

A combination of increased migration from abroad and largely unrestricted movement of people within an enlarged European Union, such as the persecuted Roma minority, helped lay the groundwork for a nationalist, at times starkly chauvinist, revival.

Groups are gaining traction from Hungary to Italy, but it is particularly apparent in northern European countries that long have had liberal immigration policies. The rapid arrival of refugees, asylum seekers and economic migrants, many of them Muslims, led to a significant backlash in places like Denmark, where the Danish People’s Party has 25 out of 179 seats in Parliament, and the Netherlands, where Geert Wilders’s Party for Freedom won 15.5 percent of the vote in the 2010 general election.

Mr. Wilders famously compared the Koran, the holy book of Islam, to Adolf Hitler’s “Mein Kampf.” Both the Danish and Dutch right-wing parties are backing precarious minority governments while not directly participating by having ministers, and inching toward mainstream acceptance in the process.

Friday’s attacks were swiftly condemned by leaders from across the political spectrum in Europe. Germany’s Chancellor Angela Merkel was particularly sharp in speaking out against what she called an “appalling crime.” The sort of hatred that could fuel such an action, she said, went against “freedom, respect and the belief in peaceful coexistence.”

Yet some of the primary motivations cited by the suspect in Norway, Anders Behring Breivik, are now mainstream issues. Mrs. Merkel, President Nicolas Sarkozy of France and Prime Minister David Cameron in Britain all recently declared an end to multiculturalism. Multiculturalism “has failed, utterly failed,” Mrs. Merkel told fellow Christian Democrats last October, though stressing that immigrants were welcome in Germany.

Perhaps the most surprising about-turn came in Britain, a country that has long considered itself among the most immigrant-friendly in Europe until a series of coordinated bomb attacks in London six years ago. In one of his most noticed speeches, Mr. Cameron told the Munich security conference in February that the country’s decades-old policy of multiculturalism had encouraged “segregated communities” where Islamic extremism can thrive.

France, a fiercely secularist state where all religion is banned from the public sphere, was long isolated and berated for its staunch opposition to the laissez-faire of multiculturalism. Girls who show up in public schools there with the Muslim headscarf are suspended, as are teachers or any other employees in the public sector.

If Mr. Sarkozy appeared to soften his understanding of official secularism, or “laïcité” earlier in his political career, even toying with the idea of affirmative action, he has recently scrambled to backtrack. He held a nationwide debate on “national identity” last year and earlier this year banned Muslim full-face veils like niqab, as well as the burqa.

That hasn’t stopped the far-right National Front, now led by Marine Le Pen, the daughter of its founder, to surge in opinion polls, with some surveys predicting that she might make it into next year’s presidential runoff. She compared Muslims praying in the streets outside overcrowded mosques to the Nazi occupation, and decries the European Union and the euro.

Earlier this month the daily newspaper Berliner Zeitung reported that neo-Nazis were attacking the offices of the far-left Left Party with increasing frequency. In the former East German state of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, statistics showed that there were 30 such attacks in the first half of 2011 compared to 44 attacks in all of 2010.

Due to its Nazi past, Germany keeps a watchful eye on right-wing extremists, and the parties of the far right have a hard time gaining traction, with no representatives in Parliament. In Finland, the True Finns, a populist nationalist party founded in 1995, became the third largest party represented in the Finnish Parliament after winning 19 percent of the vote in April. And Norway’s Progress Party, a right-wing populist party, is the second largest in the country, winning 23 percent of the vote in the last parliamentary election in September 2009.

“The Norwegian right-wing groups have always been disorganized, haven’t had charismatic leaders or the kind of well-organized groups with financial support that you see in Sweden,” said Kari Helene Partapuoli, director of the Norwegian Center against Racism. “But in the last two or three years our organization and other antifascist networks have warned of an increased temperature of debate and that violent groups had been established.”

But neither does Norway exist in a vacuum. Its right-wing scene is connected to the rest of Europe through the Internet forums where hate speech proliferates and through right-wing demonstrations that draw an international mix of participants.

“This may be the act of a lone, mad, paranoid individual,” said Hajo Funke, a political scientist at the Free University in Berlin who studies rightist extremism, referring to the right-wing fundamentalist Christian charged in connection with the killings, “but the far-right milieu creates an atmosphere that can lead such people down that path of violence.”

Reporting was contributed by Steven Erlanger from Oslo, Katrin Bennhold from Paris, Stefan Pauly from Berlin, and Scott Shane from Washington.



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EdHieron said:

again you still ignore the majority of the post.

and its very clear that you dont know what Christianity teaches because it teaches the exact opposite of that (the bolded)

also in no shape or form do Christian believe or tought that Jesus will bring mansions or cadallacs. but it does teach people that their body is their temple, and it must be taken care of, that means good healthcare.

furthermore, when i said universities, i should have been more specific, as liberals tend to give things to classes like "humanities" and classes that typicall has "studies" in their name. those close have little to nothing to do with research like curing disseases


Christianity doesn't teach the exact opposite of the bolded.  Christianity teaches that the lifestyles of gays is displeasing to its God and that at the very least gays should be cured rather than allowed to live as they see fit, that people follow a different God that they're going to Hell, and The Bible certainly teaches that men are supposed to be the heads of their households and their wives are supposed to be their faithful and submissive helpmates.

Billy Graham, one of the most influential Christian Ministers in the history of the US said that in the afterlife Christians would be driving Cadillas on Streets of Gold.  And Fundamentalist Christians do tend to believe that we are living in the End Times when if they're faithful to The Bible and its teachings then Jesus will very much bring them all the celestial wonders they could ever dream up after a time of great catastrophe for everyone else.

In the era we live in, which happens to be long after much of The Bible was found to be very prejudicial and to basically endorse utter crap like stoning people that are different from others, classes in the humanities are very important as they do demonstrate to people how they should get along with others in the world they live in today ie. we should embrace and be tolerant  of the differences that people have rather than condeming them or trying to change their preferred sexual orientations


yes it does teach the opposite. you said that the bible teaches people to hate gay people, thats patently false. and yes, the Bible teaches that unrepentant sinners will go to hell. and it also teaches free will, so if people feel like leading sinnfull lives, that s their proragative.

and yes the bible teaches that second part, so what? it also says for husband to love their wives sacrificially, honor your wife, as they are the weaker vessel (the pretense for what you said), and to submit to one another..

for the second paragraph, link? anyway that is a metaphore, you know a comparison, that does not use like or as, and since when does Billy Grahm speek for all Christians?

Does "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone" ring a bell for you? and now your changing arguments about giving to universities (while ignoring that this is only a small part of what liberals give to). and if you were following the discussion early, you would see that Universities are the polar opposite of tollerant

Universities are very tolerant.  It's true they might not be so tolerant of Christian beliefs, but you know, that's mainly because of the fact that except for a handful of passages in The Bible like the one you quote above Christian beliefs are complete and utter bs.


I think more people would agree that your beliefs are complete and utter bullshit, not the Christian ones


Well, that's because most people are stupid (80% of US citizens believe in a God that there's no evidence for -- http://www.cnsnews.com/node/65396 ) and that's why it would be so easy to set up a movement similar to Fascism in the US.

Most of the world believes in God/s and its funny how you think everyone is stupid but you and people with your beleifs, like you are any better than the people you hate so much. What makes you su superior than everyone else,except your irrational wishful thinking that makes you believe so????

As a matter of fact we have already have a movement similar to fascism in the US, and it is Fundamentalist ChristianityEverything that is fundamentalist is fascist. And that goes for fundamentalist atheists like yourself. You are IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM better than fundamentalist Christians or any other fundamentalist for that matter because it causes and supports discrimination against gays and other minority religious groupsjust like you discriminate and hate Christians, right? So again, what makes your beleifs  any less of a fundamentalist thanchristian fundamentalists? (wanting to change them to prevent them from going to an imaginary Hell is a sign of discrimination and constantly insulting christians, (ALL OF THEM ON GLOBAL BASIS) isnt a sign of dicrimination???  as it shows that the Fundamentalist Christians have little to no respect for the ideas of othersOH MY GOD, DID YOU JUST HEAR YOURSELF SAYING THAT???? YOU, YOU (!!!) OUT OF ALL PEOPLE IN THIS PLANET ARE SAYING THAT OTHERS HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE IDEAS OF OTHERS!!! Sweet mother of God, am I reading this right? GO READ BACK ALL OF YOUR POSTS AND THAN COME BACK AND SAY THAT !!!! You are the biggest hypocrate I've ever seen in my history of existance. or for the way they would like to live their livesChristianity is the most liberal religion out there (Buddism isnt really a religion) and again, you are basing your judgement EXCLUSEVLY off of fundamentalist. Why dont you spend some time actually reading the tachings and message of Jesus Christ and less time spewing ignorant hate and lies?? and that has no place in a country built on freedom and justice (and justice includes social justice) for all)Yeah, you are the one to say something like that :/; and it  prevents many of its followers from really doing anything to really improve their lives like the fast foodFast food improves your life? Now, thats news to me and other poor workers that really believe its teachings and that actively work against or don't push for things that would have been to their own interestAnd some atheists hate and abbandon their families because they beleive in God. Should I now judge the whole group of people based on the acts of some deluded individuals? No, because I am not like you.http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47498.html and http://blog.locustfork.net/2011/06/why-do-working-class-people-vote-against-their-economic-interests/ )  like a tax plan that taxes all of those making $250,000 a year 10% more so that the lower classes can have better services than they're able to afford on their own.This is very connected to Christianity indeed /sarcasm end.  And they work against these things because, as their religion teaches them, they believe the end of the world is nigh Are you joking or are you just playing stupid as hell? Where the Hell doesnt the Bible says that ''the end is nigh'' stop making up stuff to promote your own hatred, its pathetic and disgusting, you truely are a very dangerous person. May God have mercy on your soul and that Jesus is going to come back soon to alleviate all of their illsSo now taking stuff out of context as well, huh? Damn, you you are on fire today, arent you? which is the type of thinking that the slave system that Christianity is has already engendered many times throughout history,Its not Christianity's fault that people understand their message false and abuse it. and Christianity, as a direct descendent of the religion used to keep the slaves in line in Ancient Egyptwhat the hell are you talking about? Christianity came from Judism, do you even know what Christianity is? The cross is taken from ancient Egypt, but the Christian religion itself has nothing to to with ancient Egypt. Like I said in my other post you ignored for some reason,  üagansymbolics are present in abrahamic religions, everything else pagan isnt and much as a caste system by the Hebrews to keep the undesirables of their time in line under the thumb of their priestly classesActually, Christianity emerged from the teachings of person Called Jesus Christ of Nazareth. You heard of him?, and by Constantine as a way of keeping the Roman Empire in charge of things without having to worry about attacks from barbarian since when you have a system in place for controlling other people's thoughts you can control their actions much more easily than you can by merely trying to force them to stay in lineAnd this is supposed to be a reason why Christiany is bad how again? I am not sure I follow (  http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread678908/pg1 ); does create a ready made system for keeping the poor working class in line Yes, sure ''keeping people in line'' no such problems or soultion to such problems came before christianity, right. /end sarcasm especially if the public education system is ever thrown out by the Right Wing idealogues that want to attack itBecause left wing people are usually very quite about thier beleifs and are totally tolerant of anyone who disagress with them, right?http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/179079-republican-war-science-education-progress-general-working.html ).

So, yes, we do have a fascist movement in this country already. We also have fundamentalist atheism, such as yourself. Fundamentalist Christianity (it's just as fascistic today as it was when it caused nearly 100 people in Salem Massachusetts to lose their lives in 1692 and during the Middle Ages when it resulted in the deaths of 100,000 peopleAlready responded to this thousands of times by now, im sick and tired of answering to this agan.And its not like Muslims killed any Christians in Balkans, Iberia and Middle East right? The christians are to bame !!! in Europe from a wide variety of different backgrounds including other Christians that believed a bit differently from the mainstream Christians of that time, and that was largely emulated by Hitler during his exterminations of Jews in World War IIHitler was an atheist by the way. All people around him confirmed that. He only used Christianity to decieve public against the Jews. He like many other people before him did the same. But you choose to blame Christianity instead of people who abused it for power, because it will further reinforce your hatred towards it http://www.affirmation.org/proclamation_on_the_family/hidden_nazi_mentality.shtml and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Jews_in_the_First_Crusade  ), and it is waiting for Conservatism in this country to gain more power so that it can gain more control over those that believe differently And people like you wait for libealism to gain more power so you can openly go against religion on the national levelhttp://www.onenewsnow.com/Journal/editorial.aspx?id=1281490 ) ,   and probably as always much to those individuals that choose to do so's detriment (already thanks (i'm being sracastic with that)Couldnt understand, please speak more clearly largely to the influence of Christians, gays aren't free to get married like any other citizen in the USMarrige is strongly connected to the church, church has the say over who they wanna marry. if they are agisnt it, so  be it. Besides, marige is a tradition between a man and a woman.  ( http://www.fatalistic.net/kouri/discrim.html ) and being an abortion clinic doctorYet, the Bible says nothing against abortion. So  ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence ) or belonging to Islam,and in your case belonging to Christianity another miniority religious group, or going with the fact that there is no evidence for God's existence at all and being an Atheist insteadIn your case, a person with different views on the world and going with the fact that there is no evidence against God's existance at all and being a Theist. See, you are no better than them at all. (  http://www.opposingviews.com/i/sick-of-hearing-christians-claim-religious-discrimination ) makes one a target for the wrath of Fundamentalists .

As Sinclair Lewis said , “When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. "  Which is a pretty good summation of the three headed beast composed of the Tea Party, Social Conservatism, and Fundamentalist Christianity as they are in America todayThey are no wrose than your type of fundamentalism (http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/634767/the_rise_of_the_teavangelicals..._it_wasn't_as_sudden_as_you_think/ ),   And as Bill Maher says even if you're right that more people might think my ideas are the bs ones and that the Christian ones are the right ones (even though there's no evidence at all to suggest that they are correct reason and tolerance suggest so), that doesn't make my views wrong (  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jdtLTIzZWo ) .

And another tip, for ya. Use dots at the end of sentence, also use paragraphs, instead of wall of text and for Gods sake USE COMMA. Your whole post is basically one gigantic sentence.



Fascism (or any other extreme -ism) will never fully occur in the US, for the simple reason that if it could, it already would have occurred under our current president.

A charismatic leader swept into power amidst an unprecedented economic crisis promising to solve everything while railing against those who supposedly got us to this point and blaming all of our problems on that certain group (in this case, "the rich" and the greed Wall St. banksters). Sound familiar?

Of course, thanks to the freedoms we have (for now at least) like the internet and free speech, not to mention a handy little tool called the 2nd amendment, its quite tough for a leader to exert absolute control over the people in this country. But some politicians and activists in this country wish to abolish or limit the 2nd amendment and curb speech in this country as well. Gee, I wonder why?



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

NightDragon83 said:
Fascism (or any other extreme -ism) will never fully occur in the US, for the simple reason that if it could, it already would have occurred under our current president.

A charismatic leader swept into power amidst an unprecedented economic crisis promising to solve everything while railing against those who supposedly got us to this point and blaming all of our problems on that certain group (in this case, "the rich" and the greed Wall St. banksters). Sound familiar?

Of course, thanks to the freedoms we have (for now at least) like the internet and free speech, not to mention a handy little tool called the 2nd amendment, its quite tough for a leader to exert absolute control over the people in this country. But some politicians and activists in this country wish to abolish or limit the 2nd amendment and curb speech in this country as well. Gee, I wonder why?

Except this isn't really an irrational unfounded belief.



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Wow, as an outsider looking in, is it fair for me to say that the American political landscape is an unmanageable clusterfuck? I can't believe the country can be run with such extreme, unflinching bias on both sides. Not to say that anybody here is inherently wrong, but if people are this divided, how can anything ever get done or be sufficiently decided upon?