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o_O.Q said:
archbrix said:

 Sony strikes me more (in this case) as being fortunate to have a similar set-up, rather than years of toying with ideas, games and uses for it.  And your Eyetoy reference doesn't help your case:  Eyetoy launched in what, 2003?  And Kinect has already matched its sales in less than a year?  Not a strong argument for Sony's ability to make their concepts irresistible...

 

um they have :

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYKutQ_QBBw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mASdFCTNA7I

 

anything they do with vita - ps3 would just be them building on the foundation made by years of experimenting with connectivity between ps3 and psp

I agree, I'm sure they've been experimenting with ideas on connectivity.

But your links actually prove my point, which is once you have a game displaying on the PSP, it's no longer displaying on the TV.  A big point of Wii U is to have this asymmetrical gameplay where the TV displays the game being played by multiple people while the game simultaneously displays on the controller screen giving instant interaction.  PSV will give the PS3's connectivity a far better input device than PSP, but I don't know that it will rectify this.

Don't misunderstand, I think PS3/Vita will be great; just using the screen for maps or inventory is enough reason to love it right there.  I'm just saying that if this new control method is the next highly supported thing, Wii U could have the edge as far as capabilites and performance, despite the fact that the PSV by itself is a far more capable device than a Wii U controller is. 



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archbrix said:
o_O.Q said:
archbrix said:

 Sony strikes me more (in this case) as being fortunate to have a similar set-up, rather than years of toying with ideas, games and uses for it.  And your Eyetoy reference doesn't help your case:  Eyetoy launched in what, 2003?  And Kinect has already matched its sales in less than a year?  Not a strong argument for Sony's ability to make their concepts irresistible...

 

um they have :

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYKutQ_QBBw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mASdFCTNA7I

 

anything they do with vita - ps3 would just be them building on the foundation made by years of experimenting with connectivity between ps3 and psp

I agree, I'm sure they've been experimenting with ideas on connectivity.

But your links actually prove my point, which is once you have a game displaying on the PSP, it's no longer displaying on the TV.  A big point of Wii U is to have this asymmetrical gameplay where the TV displays the game being played by multiple people while the game simultaneously displays on the controller screen giving instant interaction.  PSV will give the PS3's connectivity a far better input device than PSP, but I don't know that it will rectify this.

Don't misunderstand, I think PS3/Vita will be great; just using the screen for maps or inventory is enough reason to love it right there.  I'm just saying that if this new control method is the next highly supported thing, Wii U could have the edge as far as capabilites and performance, despite the fact that the PSV by itself is a far more capable device than a Wii U controller is. 


i was commenting on this "rather than years of toying with ideas, games and uses for it" specifically but yes no games on ps3 have supported simultaneous streaming and playing on ps3



archbrix said:

... and Wii U could be as little as $299; the same price as the non-hard drive 360 at launch.  We don't even know how much PS3/Vita will be at the time of Wii U's launch.

While Nintendo's track record isn't perfect, the Gamecube wasn't a new concept, just a new console.  By new concepts, I mean introducing a new variant that delivers new experiences or interactions.  Things like an analogue stick, touch-screen, mic, motion controls.  Nintendo almost always shows ingenious ways to use these new devices.  Sony strikes me more (in this case) as being fortunate to have a similar set-up, rather than years of toying with ideas, games and uses for it.  And your Eyetoy reference doesn't help your case:  Eyetoy launched in what, 2003?  And Kinect has already matched its sales in less than a year?  Not a strong argument for Sony's ability to make their concepts irresistible...

And finally, no, they don't have games today that do everything that Wii U is talking about.  Some things, sure, but while things like Ruin look cool, it's certainly not the same as streaming  a full, ground-up PS3 game (like Uncharted 3 or Last Guardian) flawlessly to a hand-held screen where the two can interact with each other.  Ps3/Vita would certainly have some advantages over Wii U as well, not the least of which is having an actual portable console to take with you, but It's the streaming method that Wii U is touting where I think Nintendo will be the victor.


We don't know. I never had said we do.  We also don't know how much the Wii U will cost.  I'm just stating it may be more expensive than many would like to believe especially given it's expensive controller, Nintendo loving making a margin, and the weak dollar.

Did dual analog not become the industry standard? Does Wii U even bear that layout? Have we yet to see Nintendo stream a full, ground up Wii U game flawlessly to the handheld screen where the two can interact with each other?  

Sony hasn't marketed any of their peripherals with half billion dollar budget nor bundled it with most of the consoles sold either(Finding an Eyetoy game in America was downright difficult).  Kinect is obviously not doing nearly as well in the EMEAA compared to America and I believe this is because they have seen this type of playstyle before.

In Japan having the portable to take with you might be seen as an advantage.  It's great you feel differently but you can't help but admit that Sony have shown more and I've even seen more content coming from 3rd parties for them than Wii U.  In those tangible things my trust feels better placed.



nitekrawler1285 said:

Did dual analog not become the industry standard? Does Wii U even bear that layout?

Have we yet to see Nintendo stream a full, ground up Wii U game flawlessly to the handheld screen where the two can interact with each other?  

Sure.  The analogue "sticks" are just above the D-pad and buttons instead of below them.  Whether or not it feels as good... don't know (hopefully it'll receive better sticks in the end).

This is a trick question because we have yet to see Nintendo even show a full, ground up Wii U game.  The one thing that keeps me hopeful is that the Zelda HD demo at E3, which was running in real time, was displaying simultaneously on both, and you could change the camera around and the lighting via the touch-screen.

Either way, what you say is possible and I respect your opinion.



MARCUSDJACKSON said:
this whole thread has become pointless

Do you mean due to how the discussion evolved, or did anything happen that drastically changed the most important assumptions and infos the discussion was based upon?



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Alby_da_Wolf said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
this whole thread has become pointless

Do you mean due to how the discussion evolved, or did anything happen that drastically changed the most important assumptions and infos the discussion was based upon?


i'm not sure now. my part in this ended days ago lol.



MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
this whole thread has become pointless

Do you mean due to how the discussion evolved, or did anything happen that drastically changed the most important assumptions and infos the discussion was based upon?


i'm not sure now. my part in this ended days ago lol.

LOL, if you found yourself lost in some walls of text, me too, I had to skip some pages altogether.   



Stwike him, Centuwion. Stwike him vewy wuffly! (Pontius Pilate, "Life of Brian")
A fart without stink is like a sky without stars.
TGS, Third Grade Shooter: brand new genre invented by Kevin Butler exclusively for Natal WiiToo Kinect. PEW! PEW-PEW-PEW! 
 


Alby_da_Wolf said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
this whole thread has become pointless

Do you mean due to how the discussion evolved, or did anything happen that drastically changed the most important assumptions and infos the discussion was based upon?


i'm not sure now. my part in this ended days ago lol.

LOL, if you found yourself lost in some walls of text, me too, I had to skip some pages altogether.   

yea it was likely something posted 4 or 5 pages back, and then the headahce came lol.