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o_O.Q said:
ElGranCabeza said:
o_O.Q said:
Play4Fun said:
No ND.

PSV cannot stream content from PS3/4 at the level Wii U can, nor can it do motion tracking like Wii U's pad can.

And of course there's the price of entry for PSV and PS3/4.

The again, this is what you would expect them to say about the competition.


while i agree with this "And of course there's the price of entry for PSV and PS3/4."

"PSV cannot stream content from PS3/4 at the level Wii U can" im cuirious as to why you say this since the psp was already capable of this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mASdFCTNA7I

"nor can it do motion tracking like Wii U's pad can" i'd also like to know how you know that who says the motion sensing on vita isn't better?


Too bad only the shittiest of games supported this. That actually doesn't look that bad.

whats with the cussing?

 

when i read your comment i had this impression of you

 

 naughty dogs comments were never about the games in question but only about the capabilities of the devices... just chill out


Cry me a FUCKING river.



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archbrix said:
nitekrawler1285 said:
morenoingrato said:
nitekrawler1285 said:
This is not good for Nintendo. If most of the features can be mimicked then they just lost 51 million possible consumers whom they are aiming at with the WiiU.

I have been saying for a while that the Wii U wasn't going to be sufficient to get PS360 owners to upgrade and this only cements that they aren't offering enough. This and their flawed position on online.

Considering the PS3 will probably have a price drop this year the PS3/V combo will be price competitive especially for the 51 million that already own a PS3.Were I Sony I would put the PS4 on hold unless M$ announces a new console.

This is possibly the most ignorant post I've read.


Call it what you chose. It's not my fault people are too blind to see that Nintendo is alienating both segments of the consumers they claim to be courting by catering to developers.

How are they alienating both segments?  The touch controller has the potential to be just as intuitive and user frendly as the Wii motion controls were.  One of the reasons touch-based smart phones took over is because they feature an intuitive, easy to understand interface.  If the Wii U has a killer game (hopefully included like Wii Sports) that shows off the simple interface capabilities of the system, the expanded market could easily be on board, particularly since it's 100% Wii motion capable as well.

As for the core gaming market, that's exactly why they're catering to developers.  I certainly don't believe the majority of PS360 owners will instantly switch over to Wii U, but many people who don't own an HD twin yet may see the Wii U as the one to get, and 5 year owners of a current console looking for something new might consider Wii U if the games are there and the price is right.

OT:  Hearing Naughty Dog's words are actually great praise to Nintendo.  If the Wii U were an absurd idea, companies wouldn't be boasting the fact that their own console can simulate the same actions.  Clearly they believe that Nintendo could be on to something again.

Alienating the expanded audience:

The controller is intimidating because of it's gigantic SIZE. Even some of the gaming press were intimidated by it's size.  

That in addition to having 2 analog sticks and a quite a few buttons.  Were it just a touch screen like most smart phones I wouldn't be claiming as much. Notice how most smart phones dropped all those other input methods to streamline the product. 

The price will be raised so they can add features like HD and an expensive complicated controllers that most of the expanded audience dont really care about.  

Nintendo hasn't been making successful expanded audience software themselves. Unless you count the marginally upgraded Nintendogs + cats and we see how that is faring sales wise.  I don't think DS leftover ideas will be enough to spark the fire that Wii had.

Alienating the "core" audience:

Non-clickable circle pads with awkward placement. They help for having extra actions in FPS games etc.  

Only one Wii U controller per console

Leaving the online structure up to 3rd parties on a title by title basis.

No built in HDD. 

No announcement of a way to transfer over the digital content they have already purchased.



o_O.Q said:

lol ok buddy the wii u controller will be cheap thats why up till now nintendo can't come out and tell people whether they will support more than one controller even though they confirmed that its not a technical issue... in fact i'll ask you why do you think they are relunctant to provide more details on support for more controllers? its not a tech issue, you believe its not the price therefore what? i'lll very interested to see what you think it is

btw reality for each person is determined by their knowledge to a certain extent and to my knowledge current controllers retail for $50 - $60 without the aforementioned features therefore logically i come to the conclusion that i have... its not about me "unwilling to accept"

i don't think that if this controller could retail for $80 that nintendo would be so hesitant to announce support for multiple controllers but thats my opinion  

 

First off, do you have proof that Nintendo confirmed that it wasn't a technical issue? We have no technical details about how Nintendo is implementing the streaming of video to the Wii U controller and it is entirely possible that they made a technical decision which is potentially limiting the number of controllers. Even if the hardware doesn't limit the number of controllers directly, Nintendo could be worried about the indirect limitations based on processing power; essentially, much like there is no technical reason why the PS3 can't offer 6 player split-screen games, the impact of adding an additional controler on the graphical quality of a game might be greater than Nintendo anticipates developers are willing to make.

Beyond that, it doesn't have to be a technical or a price decision it could simply be a "design" decision. It is possible that Nintendo has tunnel vision on this issue and needed feedback from consumers/developers to change their mind. Did you realize that initially Nintendo was going to release the Wiimote as being the only controller option, and only after Retro Studios convinced Nintendo of the need for the nunchuck was it included as standard equipment?

Finally, my expectations of $80 to $100 for a second controller still make it a very expensive controller and Nintendo may not believe the market can support such an expensive add on.

 

 

With all that said, being that touch screen LCD ebook readers are on the market for close to $100 with a large profit margin for retailers, they contain components that the Wii U controller probably won't (internal memory, CPU, mass storage device, memory card and USB ports etc.), the only components the Wii U controller has that these don't are cheap (buttons, analogue nubs, microphone, CMOS sensor, and a couple of LEDs), and there is 12 to 18 months before the Wii U is launched where the price of the most expensive components in the WIi U controller will fall, I don't understand why you would believe that the Wii U controller will have to sell for over $100.



o_O.Q said:
ROBOTECHHEAVEN said:
i think he is full of shit, the wii u can do more. the psvita and ps3 combo wont be used that much, so his entire statement holds very list weight.


what does the wii u do ( that we know of so far ) that the combo would be unable to achieve? 


That's a really easy one though, Wii U will have the functionality by default which doesn't interfere with other wireless connectivity protocols while PS3 and Vita don't come in the same package, it's all in "what's in the default SKU?" Keep in mind that the 360 from dev side can't do some things because by default, it doesn't have a HDD whereas the PS3 does, you can only truly take advantage of a console system in it's raw package to sell the most amount of games, and no, Wii Fit is not a game..... but you get my point. There is a difference in between default functionality and tacked on stuff where most devs won't be focusing on.



limmer_of_hope said:
 

Look dude, if EA or Rockstar, or Sega came out and said "WiiU is a waste of space" I would sure as hell not buy it. And would take their opinion as gospel.

1)What don't you understand? Naughty Dog is NOT like billions of people....as you say. It is a company owned by SONY. And are you serious? " people are interested in what ND says rather than the other devs."  i believe that is the worst and wrong statement i have ever read. You honestly think that people prefer Naughty Dogs opinion over say EA, Rockstar, any of the big ones? Nice try.

2) Dude thats not even what i meant. Of course Pepsi and Coke can diss eachother. I'm saying what would be the point of talking about it. Of course a competing company will say their product is better...don't you get it?????....thats NOT news, thats NOT important.

3) Last time i checked i was allowed to voice my opinion on this website, regardless if is in favor of Sony, MS, or Nintendo.

4) Are you really just going to copy what i wrote?


Look here, you're on VGC and if the viewers on this site are more interested about the words of ND over EA then thats how it is!!! You're freakin out about peoples' comments from what ND says rather than some big third party.  Me personally i dont care what any dev says about anything honestly.  It just seems you're mad about how the people on this site choose their interest.

Of course you're allowed to voice your own, as the people in this thread and on this site, just suck it up and dont whine about ND and the people that are interested in this thread.

Here's an idea, if you dont like the thread and what people are posting then just dont post anything in it.  Wait for a thread you like to post something positive.



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cyberninja45 said:
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cyberninja45 said:
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Mr Khan said:
cyberninja45 said:

Can the PS3 transmitted  HD video wirelessly?

Given that remote play works over the internet, i imagine it would certainly be capable of achieving that locally.


I doubt it. I seen the video on youtube but I cant tell if its wireless. In fact, heck no PS3 doesnt have this feature. What  the hell is thread about?

you being unaware of the feature does not mean "PS3 doesnt have this feature" 

( video of game streaming from ps3 - psp ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mASdFCTNA7I

...all it means is that you were unaaware of it

That video is conveniently dark, cant tell if its wireless or even if its a regular ps3 transmitting it.

um dude remote play is a known feature of ps3 it entails wireless transmission of content wireless between p-s3 and psp more details :

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2008/12/30/ps3-how-to-setting-up-remote-play-between-your-psp-and-ps3/

http://uk.playstation.com/psp/support/network/detail/linked240472/item66124/Remote-Play/

 

why is it so hard to believe that it supported this? what else do you guys think is needed for this other than a wireless connection and enough processing power

No PS3 802.11g  cannot transmit HD video wirelessly. U think there is a way to connect your ps3 to your hdTv wirelessy ( with some wireless adapter for the tv)? Even at 720P? NO.

So since the PS3 is using the 802.11g to transmit lower quality video this means it cannot connect to the internet or use the internet for anything else.

So in a nutshell if u are using this feature:

  • The picture quality will be degraded.
  • U cannot play your games online

IN one sentence

The ps3 cannot stream HD content to vita wirelessly,  stream normally to hdtv, and be connected to the internet all at the same time. Not to the slightest

Which means PS3+ vita cannot do What the WiiU can do. This thread is irrelevant

 

 

 

"The ps3 cannot stream HD content to vita wirelessly"

quick question does the wii u controller output HD? go research that then you'll realise how what you just posted makes no sense

"So in a nutshell"

  • The picture quality will be degraded. ( the same as with the wii u ) 
  • U cannot play your games online ( this point lost me how? )
"So since the PS3 is using the 802.11g to transmit lower quality video ( LIKE THE WII U ALTHOUGH I DON'T THINK ITS USING 802.11 ) this means it cannot connect to the internet or use the internet for anything else. i asked this above but how? the ps3 has 2 methods of online connectivity wifi and wired 

 

quick question does the wii u controller output HD

The picture quality will be degraded. ( the same as with the wii u )

There is no official specs. And no, counting pixel from videos don't count lol.  But there is no noticeable degradation or any change of quality at all in the demos shown at E3. On a 6" screen  WIth the HDTV in front of them to compare. And the Wii U  can support more than 1 controller ( at least twice the resolution).

 

 

i asked this above but how? the ps3 has 2 methods of online connectivity wifi and wired

Remote play uses the internet functions of the PS3 in order to work. So no matter if its wireless or not you are using the ps3 bandwidth. Else you can use ps3 wireless and wired connections together and get twice the internet speed. U not gonna find some work around by using a wired connection for internet LOL.

im beginning to get the idea that this is pointless "But there is no noticeable degradation or any change of quality at all in the demos shown at E3"

the resolution of the tablet screen confirmed by nintendo ( up till now but may be revised later on ) : 854 x 480 (WVGA) 

high def resolution ( bare minimum ) : 1280×720 ( 720p ) 

whats going on up there? / please explain that to me and it correlates with what you keep posted

 

"So no matter if its wireless or not you are using the ps3 bandwidth"

its possible to still access psn while playing lair according to what you've posted that shouldn't be possible please explain 

 

look man all i ask if you try to debate me is at least to try to make an effort to educate yourself on whats going...

NIntendo did confirm the WiiU is capitable with more than one controls( your 480 x2= 960). But sorry  cant find anything on Ninty confirming the resolution so some links can be helpful.

its possible to still access psn while playing lair according to what you've posted that shouldn't be possible please explain

Of course, you have to sign in to psn to start remote play dont you? But u cannot use the internet for anything else( or anything else meaningful is what i should of said)  because you are using the PS3's single bandwidth!!!(Like downloading and playing online). Jeez


no... remote play works either via local direct connection or over the internet again you demonstrate beven further that you have no knowledge of how it works so why bother commenting on it?

"But sorry  cant find anything on Ninty confirming the resolution so some links can be helpful."

http://thelatestgaming.com/wii-u-controller-isnt-hd/

quote from the article :

"Nintendo has confirmed to the media at E3 that the Wii U controller screen is not HD"

 

"NIntendo did confirm the WiiU is capitable with more than one controls"

 

no.... nintendo never confirmed that the wii u has support for more than one controller ( if i'm wrong prove it with a link ) and whats more is that all of the demos they've done so far imply that they didn't really consider supporting multiple controllers... go watch the demos again if you doubt me how many of them show more than one being used?... bare in mind i'm not saying they won't do it later on but that so far they haven't shown or said they will support it

 

http://wiiublog.com/multiple-controllers-on-the-wii-u-is-possible-but-cost-is-an-issue/

Iwata himself.

right... but the point is that it has not been confirmed that it will use multiple controllers as you said earlier all thats been said so far is that it is possible but that the price is prohibitive and so they didn't have plans of releasing the controller seperately... 

 

http://www.news.com.au/technology/gaming/nintendos-shigeru-miyamoto-explains-the-new-wii-u/story-e6frfrt9-1226071923070

They are researching ways of play if your friend brings a controller. but the basic premise for Nintendo right now is one controller per home. Because of cost.  But  since its very  possible third parties can use it if they wish.

 

 



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o_O.Q said:
cyberninja45 said:
o_O.Q said:
cyberninja45 said:
o_O.Q said:
cyberninja45 said:
o_O.Q said:
cyberninja45 said:
o_O.Q said:
cyberninja45 said:
o_O.Q said:
cyberninja45 said:
Mr Khan said:
cyberninja45 said:

Can the PS3 transmitted  HD video wirelessly?

Given that remote play works over the internet, i imagine it would certainly be capable of achieving that locally.


I doubt it. I seen the video on youtube but I cant tell if its wireless. In fact, heck no PS3 doesnt have this feature. What  the hell is thread about?

you being unaware of the feature does not mean "PS3 doesnt have this feature" 

( video of game streaming from ps3 - psp ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mASdFCTNA7I

...all it means is that you were unaaware of it

That video is conveniently dark, cant tell if its wireless or even if its a regular ps3 transmitting it.

um dude remote play is a known feature of ps3 it entails wireless transmission of content wireless between p-s3 and psp more details :

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2008/12/30/ps3-how-to-setting-up-remote-play-between-your-psp-and-ps3/

http://uk.playstation.com/psp/support/network/detail/linked240472/item66124/Remote-Play/

 

why is it so hard to believe that it supported this? what else do you guys think is needed for this other than a wireless connection and enough processing power

No PS3 802.11g  cannot transmit HD video wirelessly. U think there is a way to connect your ps3 to your hdTv wirelessy ( with some wireless adapter for the tv)? Even at 720P? NO.

So since the PS3 is using the 802.11g to transmit lower quality video this means it cannot connect to the internet or use the internet for anything else.

So in a nutshell if u are using this feature:

  • The picture quality will be degraded.
  • U cannot play your games online

IN one sentence

The ps3 cannot stream HD content to vita wirelessly,  stream normally to hdtv, and be connected to the internet all at the same time. Not to the slightest

Which means PS3+ vita cannot do What the WiiU can do. This thread is irrelevant

 

 

 

"The ps3 cannot stream HD content to vita wirelessly"

quick question does the wii u controller output HD? go research that then you'll realise how what you just posted makes no sense

"So in a nutshell"

  • The picture quality will be degraded. ( the same as with the wii u ) 
  • U cannot play your games online ( this point lost me how? )
"So since the PS3 is using the 802.11g to transmit lower quality video ( LIKE THE WII U ALTHOUGH I DON'T THINK ITS USING 802.11 ) this means it cannot connect to the internet or use the internet for anything else. i asked this above but how? the ps3 has 2 methods of online connectivity wifi and wired 

 

quick question does the wii u controller output HD

The picture quality will be degraded. ( the same as with the wii u )

There is no official specs. And no, counting pixel from videos don't count lol.  But there is no noticeable degradation or any change of quality at all in the demos shown at E3. On a 6" screen  WIth the HDTV in front of them to compare. And the Wii U  can support more than 1 controller ( at least twice the resolution).

 

 

i asked this above but how? the ps3 has 2 methods of online connectivity wifi and wired

Remote play uses the internet functions of the PS3 in order to work. So no matter if its wireless or not you are using the ps3 bandwidth. Else you can use ps3 wireless and wired connections together and get twice the internet speed. U not gonna find some work around by using a wired connection for internet LOL.

im beginning to get the idea that this is pointless "But there is no noticeable degradation or any change of quality at all in the demos shown at E3"

the resolution of the tablet screen confirmed by nintendo ( up till now but may be revised later on ) : 854 x 480 (WVGA) 

high def resolution ( bare minimum ) : 1280×720 ( 720p ) 

whats going on up there? / please explain that to me and it correlates with what you keep posted

 

"So no matter if its wireless or not you are using the ps3 bandwidth"

its possible to still access psn while playing lair according to what you've posted that shouldn't be possible please explain 

 

look man all i ask if you try to debate me is at least to try to make an effort to educate yourself on whats going...

NIntendo did confirm the WiiU is capitable with more than one controls( your 480 x2= 960). But sorry  cant find anything on Ninty confirming the resolution so some links can be helpful.

its possible to still access psn while playing lair according to what you've posted that shouldn't be possible please explain

Of course, you have to sign in to psn to start remote play dont you? But u cannot use the internet for anything else( or anything else meaningful is what i should of said)  because you are using the PS3's single bandwidth!!!(Like downloading and playing online). Jeez


no... remote play works either via local direct connection or over the internet again you demonstrate beven further that you have no knowledge of how it works so why bother commenting on it?

"But sorry  cant find anything on Ninty confirming the resolution so some links can be helpful."

http://thelatestgaming.com/wii-u-controller-isnt-hd/

quote from the article :

"Nintendo has confirmed to the media at E3 that the Wii U controller screen is not HD"

 

"NIntendo did confirm the WiiU is capitable with more than one controls"

 

no.... nintendo never confirmed that the wii u has support for more than one controller ( if i'm wrong prove it with a link ) and whats more is that all of the demos they've done so far imply that they didn't really consider supporting multiple controllers... go watch the demos again if you doubt me how many of them show more than one being used?... bare in mind i'm not saying they won't do it later on but that so far they haven't shown or said they will support it

 

http://wiiublog.com/multiple-controllers-on-the-wii-u-is-possible-but-cost-is-an-issue/

Iwata himself.

right... but the point is that it has not been confirmed that it will use multiple controllers as you said earlier all thats been said so far is that it is possible but that the price is prohibitive and so they didn't have plans of releasing the controller seperately... 

http://www.news.com.au/technology/gaming/nintendos-shigeru-miyamoto-explains-the-new-wii-u/story-e6frfrt9-1226071923070

They are researching ways of play if your friend brings a controller. but the basic premise for Nintendo right now is one controller per home. Because of cost.  But  since its very  possible third parties can use it if they wish.

 

To sum it all up

There are  no offical specs but if it is true that the WiiU screen is not HD(not 720p). THen its close, the very link u post above clarify this as its  impossible to tell(even under close examination as reported from virtually everyone. But maybe under a magnifying glas or somethin) the difference with a 1080p screen right infront of them( with a 6" ( not4.3") screen right infront  there face to make examinations).

Which means that the 802.11g connection will not be even be close to being stream the video close to the quality of a single WiiU. (The ps3 currently streams at 272p )

 

Secondly you still cannot play your games online( since the 802.11g antennae is using the single 'modem's' bandwidth). If this was possible Nintendo would have been using the 3ds WiiU/Wii configuration( simular to the Ps3/psp configuration). OR the WiiU controller would have been backwards compatible with the Wii.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/310648/news/wii-u-and-3ds-connection-has-limitations-iwata-admits/

since the 3ds use 802.11g connection. it forces the single wiiU modem to stop streaming to internet(wirelessly or wired) and the modem's/transmitter's bandwidth would use its 802.11g antennae to transmit to the 3ds. Also if 802.11g was capable of streaming video quality as WiiU does, then they would have been using it( with a seperate transmitter) and the 3ds would have been able to work no problems.

 

And finally even if all the above was possible the PS3 doesnt have the processing power  transmit the multiple views at the same game without loss in  graphical quality.

 

Again

The ps3 cannot stream high resolution content to vita wirelessly,  stream normally to hdtv, and be connected to the internet (in any meaningful way) all at the same time. Not to the slightest

Which means PS3+ vita cannot do What the WiiU can do. This thread is irrelevant



My 3ds friendcode: 5413-0232-9676 (G-cyber)



nitekrawler1285 said:

Alienating the expanded audience:

1.  The controller is intimidating because of it's gigantic SIZE. Even some of the gaming press were intimidated by it's size.  

That in addition to having 2 analog sticks and a quite a few buttons.  Were it just a touch screen like most smart phones I wouldn't be claiming as much. Notice how most smart phones dropped all those other input methods to streamline the product. 

2.  The price will be raised so they can add features like HD and an expensive complicated controllers that most of the expanded audience dont really care about.  

3.  Nintendo hasn't been making successful expanded audience software themselves. Unless you count the marginally upgraded Nintendogs + cats and we see how that is faring sales wise.  I don't think DS leftover ideas will be enough to spark the fire that Wii had.

Alienating the "core" audience:

4.  Non-clickable circle pads with awkward placement. They help for having extra actions in FPS games etc.  

5.  Only one Wii U controller per console

6.  Leaving the online structure up to 3rd parties on a title by title basis. 

No built in HDD. 

No announcement of a way to transfer over the digital content they have already purchased.

1.  The very point I'm making is that the controller doesn't have to be seen as a complicated device; it's all dependent on software.  Picture games that are completely reliant upon the touch-screen where buttons are rarely, if ever, used.  It can easily function as a tablet would, with full navigation done on the touch-screen alone.  The buttons are there for the other games, just as the nunchuck was for the Wii remote.

2.  Again, it's the addictive software utilizing the new controller that would interest the expanded market.  The price could be as little as $299, which is only $50 more than the Wii at launch.

3.  I agree that DS leftovers aren't enough, but we don't have evidence that this will occur.  And the example you site is a 3DS game.  Remember that the 3DS does nothing new over the DS other than better hardware and the 3D effect.  Not so with Wii U, which offers a new way to interact with a home console.

4.  Now this I agree with; they need better sticks...

5.  No, both Reggie and Iwata have stated it can support more than one touch-screen controller.

6.  Actually I've heard that many online-heavy companies would welcome this freedom.



ElGranCabeza said:
o_O.Q said:
ElGranCabeza said:
o_O.Q said:
Play4Fun said:
No ND.

PSV cannot stream content from PS3/4 at the level Wii U can, nor can it do motion tracking like Wii U's pad can.

And of course there's the price of entry for PSV and PS3/4.

The again, this is what you would expect them to say about the competition.


while i agree with this "And of course there's the price of entry for PSV and PS3/4."

"PSV cannot stream content from PS3/4 at the level Wii U can" im cuirious as to why you say this since the psp was already capable of this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mASdFCTNA7I

"nor can it do motion tracking like Wii U's pad can" i'd also like to know how you know that who says the motion sensing on vita isn't better?


Too bad only the shittiest of games supported this. That actually doesn't look that bad.

whats with the cussing?

 

when i read your comment i had this impression of you

 

 naughty dogs comments were never about the games in question but only about the capabilities of the devices... just chill out


Cry me a FUCKING river.

lol im not the one crying here



For god's sake trim the quote trees people. Mods will start coming in at this point



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