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vlad321 said:
nightsurge said:
vlad321 said:
nightsurge said:
vlad321 said:

You make it sound like a unified service is good coughPSNcough. You get infinitely better service from the internet on Windows than you do from LIVE, and lo and behold, it's all for thw wonderful price of $0. Furthermore, do you pay for LIVE on the PC?

Xbox Live is far and away superior to PSN as well. It is the best unified service for all these services and features, and is accessible with intuitive and much more appealing interfaces than a simple internet browser. Paying $4 a month for that convenience and the ability to enjoy it all from the comfort of my living room seems like a steal to me. I wouldn't pay for LIVE on the PC because it is free to current Xbox LIVE subscribers  :)


So because you are lazy you get inferior product for more money. Understood.

Edit: I want you to show me exactly how you know that LIVE security is any better than PSN's, and how it can avoid being screwed over completely.

Lol what? Wow your logic fails. First off, it is NOT the inferior product, it is the superior one. A browser interface can simply never match the GUI and features available to the custom Xbox Live apps for these services. Maybe when Windows 8 comes out, the PC will have a similar, intuitive, and intelligent interface... oh wait it will because Xbox Live will be on PC! :) And it's not laziness, it's called convenience. I work 52 hours a week, still manage to go to the gym 3-4 times a week, and somehow maintain a social life in all of that so I hardly think you could call someone like myself "lazy" lol

I can't show you exactly how Xbox Live is more secure, just as you can't show me how it ISN'T more secure than PSN. What I can say is that no college professors or internet forums have posted ANY information regarding Xbox Live servers without something as basic as a firewall installed! (LOL at Sony)


I love how you added "for these services" in the end there. Glad you did because I can count the amount of services on my fingers, and maybe toes. Do you know how many "services" you get with a PC+browser? Hundreds, thousands, a countless amount.

Furthermore let's look at these few services anyhow. WIll you say that using facebook on LIVE is better than on a browser? Don't make me laugh. Do you still have to have a Netflix or hulu+ account to get them to work? Yes. With a PC I can also find you and launch a movie much quicker than you will using your Xbox, same with Hulu. This is actually true for just about EVERY service like twitter, last.fm, etc. because it is far more "convenient" to use a keybaord than scroll around some buttons using your analog sticks. Of course this is just looking at the services that LIVE already has, there are countless of others.

Your argument on LIVE security fails hard. By default, every system is vulnerable and needs to be shown to be safe and not the other way around.

Lol, you really do make me laugh :) 360 gamepads have keyboards available. I have one that came with my Xbox Live subscription one year. Also, voice search coming with the next update will completely negate any supposed speed losses.

Also, it was your very flawed argument towards Xbox Live security first (in fact it wasn't an argument to begin with lol). But if we go by the cowards argument of "You have to prove this, I don't have to prove that" then I'd say the fact that Xbox Live hasn't been hacked and user accounts and information leaked like that of PSN shows it is obviously more safe than PSN. As well as my comment above regarding no information about MS's servers lacking even the most basic form of protection.



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nightsurge said:
vlad321 said:


I love how you added "for these services" in the end there. Glad you did because I can count the amount of services on my fingers, and maybe toes. Do you know how many "services" you get with a PC+browser? Hundreds, thousands, a countless amount.

Furthermore let's look at these few services anyhow. WIll you say that using facebook on LIVE is better than on a browser? Don't make me laugh. Do you still have to have a Netflix or hulu+ account to get them to work? Yes. With a PC I can also find you and launch a movie much quicker than you will using your Xbox, same with Hulu. This is actually true for just about EVERY service like twitter, last.fm, etc. because it is far more "convenient" to use a keybaord than scroll around some buttons using your analog sticks. Of course this is just looking at the services that LIVE already has, there are countless of others.

Your argument on LIVE security fails hard. By default, every system is vulnerable and needs to be shown to be safe and not the other way around.

Lol, you really do make me laugh :) 360 gamepads have keyboards available. I have one that came with my Xbox Live subscription one year. Also, voice search coming with the next update will completely negate any supposed speed losses.

Also, it was your very flawed argument towards Xbox Live security first (in fact it wasn't an argument to begin with lol). But if we go by the cowards argument of "You have to prove this, I don't have to prove that" then I'd say the fact that Xbox Live hasn't been hacked and user accounts and information leaked like that of PSN shows it is obviously more safe than PSN. As well as my comment above regarding no information about MS's servers lacking even the most basic form of protection.

Somehow I doubt the average user has a the 360 chatpads. Furthermre how do you address the other countless of services that you don't have? Really, we can jsut look at something as simple as IM protocols to see the difference.

No, having a unified system is always a problem, because if just 1 thing fgoes down, then EVERYTHING goes down, a la PSN. The argument "hasn't been hacked yet" also does not mean much, and is rather laughable. My web server hasn't been hacked yet, does that mean it's more secure than Lockheed Martin? Are you also saying that LIVE is safer than Lockheed Martin's servers? The point is, someone can fuck the LIVE servers, and every game and everything you have is screwed, whether you piad for it or not. On a PC, that is absolutely impossible to happen because there is nothing centralized.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

i think xbox current and future systems should always come with windows for free.



vlad321 said:
nightsurge said:
vlad321 said:


I love how you added "for these services" in the end there. Glad you did because I can count the amount of services on my fingers, and maybe toes. Do you know how many "services" you get with a PC+browser? Hundreds, thousands, a countless amount.

Furthermore let's look at these few services anyhow. WIll you say that using facebook on LIVE is better than on a browser? Don't make me laugh. Do you still have to have a Netflix or hulu+ account to get them to work? Yes. With a PC I can also find you and launch a movie much quicker than you will using your Xbox, same with Hulu. This is actually true for just about EVERY service like twitter, last.fm, etc. because it is far more "convenient" to use a keybaord than scroll around some buttons using your analog sticks. Of course this is just looking at the services that LIVE already has, there are countless of others.

Your argument on LIVE security fails hard. By default, every system is vulnerable and needs to be shown to be safe and not the other way around.

Lol, you really do make me laugh :) 360 gamepads have keyboards available. I have one that came with my Xbox Live subscription one year. Also, voice search coming with the next update will completely negate any supposed speed losses.

Also, it was your very flawed argument towards Xbox Live security first (in fact it wasn't an argument to begin with lol). But if we go by the cowards argument of "You have to prove this, I don't have to prove that" then I'd say the fact that Xbox Live hasn't been hacked and user accounts and information leaked like that of PSN shows it is obviously more safe than PSN. As well as my comment above regarding no information about MS's servers lacking even the most basic form of protection.

Somehow I doubt the average user has a the 360 chatpads. Furthermre how do you address the other countless of services that you don't have? Really, we can jsut look at something as simple as IM protocols to see the difference.

No, having a unified system is always a problem, because if just 1 thing fgoes down, then EVERYTHING goes down, a la PSN. The argument "hasn't been hacked yet" also does not mean much, and is rather laughable. My web server hasn't been hacked yet, does that mean it's more secure than Lockheed Martin? Are you also saying that LIVE is safer than Lockheed Martin's servers? The point is, someone can fuck the LIVE servers, and every game and everything you have is screwed, whether you piad for it or not. On a PC, that is absolutely impossible to happen because there is nothing centralized.

LMAO! More weak arguments about server security. You aren't offering ANYthing to support your claim that Xbox Live isn't more secure than PSN..

Also, I love how you say that nothing is centralized on PC, but Steam is just as vulnerable according to you. Someone can "fuck" them and you will be out all of your digital only games and services through that. BROWSERS are some of the most vulnerable access points of hackers and viruses to invade a system as well.

:) the more you know



nightsurge said:
vlad321 said:
nightsurge said:
vlad321 said:


I love how you added "for these services" in the end there. Glad you did because I can count the amount of services on my fingers, and maybe toes. Do you know how many "services" you get with a PC+browser? Hundreds, thousands, a countless amount.

Furthermore let's look at these few services anyhow. WIll you say that using facebook on LIVE is better than on a browser? Don't make me laugh. Do you still have to have a Netflix or hulu+ account to get them to work? Yes. With a PC I can also find you and launch a movie much quicker than you will using your Xbox, same with Hulu. This is actually true for just about EVERY service like twitter, last.fm, etc. because it is far more "convenient" to use a keybaord than scroll around some buttons using your analog sticks. Of course this is just looking at the services that LIVE already has, there are countless of others.

Your argument on LIVE security fails hard. By default, every system is vulnerable and needs to be shown to be safe and not the other way around.

Lol, you really do make me laugh :) 360 gamepads have keyboards available. I have one that came with my Xbox Live subscription one year. Also, voice search coming with the next update will completely negate any supposed speed losses.

Also, it was your very flawed argument towards Xbox Live security first (in fact it wasn't an argument to begin with lol). But if we go by the cowards argument of "You have to prove this, I don't have to prove that" then I'd say the fact that Xbox Live hasn't been hacked and user accounts and information leaked like that of PSN shows it is obviously more safe than PSN. As well as my comment above regarding no information about MS's servers lacking even the most basic form of protection.

Somehow I doubt the average user has a the 360 chatpads. Furthermre how do you address the other countless of services that you don't have? Really, we can jsut look at something as simple as IM protocols to see the difference.

No, having a unified system is always a problem, because if just 1 thing fgoes down, then EVERYTHING goes down, a la PSN. The argument "hasn't been hacked yet" also does not mean much, and is rather laughable. My web server hasn't been hacked yet, does that mean it's more secure than Lockheed Martin? Are you also saying that LIVE is safer than Lockheed Martin's servers? The point is, someone can fuck the LIVE servers, and every game and everything you have is screwed, whether you piad for it or not. On a PC, that is absolutely impossible to happen because there is nothing centralized.

LMAO! More weak arguments about server security. You aren't offering ANYthing to support your claim that Xbox Live isn't more secure than PSN..

Also, I love how you say that nothing is centralized on PC, but Steam is just as vulnerable according to you. Someone can "fuck" them and you will be out all of your digital only games and services through that. BROWSERS are some of the most vulnerable access points of hackers and viruses to invade a system as well.

:) the more you know

You clearly fail at reading comprehension. Where specifically did I say LIVE security is worse than PSN? I used PSN as an example of the problems of centralized services. You are the one who is trying, and failing, to justify LIVE by comparing it to PSN, when the comparison never existed. Furthermore, browsers are only vulnerable if the person using them is a fucking idiot. If you consider yourself a fucking idiot, then I suggest you don't use a browser.

I also find it funnny how you think Steam is the only digital service provider on the PC. It's cute in a pathetic, ignorant, sort of way. I am also glad we agree that LIVE serrvices are nearly infinitely less than a good ol' regular PC.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

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We don't agree on anything, silly =D



nightsurge said:
We don't agree on anything, silly =D


Masterful counter-argument. Just masterful.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

It's really the only thing left to say, all things considered =)