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osamanobama on 28 June 2011
brendude13 said:
osamanobama said:
@sapphi_snake

man, do you have the most extremist views on every subject.

ps i think another group of people, that i consider perverts, to have a mental desease.
but i dont think they should be arrested or subject to counseling because of thoughts

What is this "other group"?

i would be banned if a said it.

but back to my orignal point, sapphi has no consistancy in his arguments, he acts like hes this big "human rights" activist but really he just goes with whatever the progressive societal norms are. and he has no constistancy in what he thinks is right



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NiKKoM on 28 June 2011

I bet some of you already wanted to kill Saphhi_Snake in their minds.. or at least trying to choke him.. ;)



 

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sapphi_snake on 28 June 2011
osamanobama said:
@sapphi_snake

man, do you have the most extremist views on every subject.

ps i think another group of people, that i consider perverts, to have a mental desease.
but i dont think they should be arrested or subject to counseling because of thoughts

Luckily you're not a licensed psychiatrist, just another homophobe.



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sapphi_snake on 28 June 2011
NiKKoM said:
I bet some of you already wanted to kill Saphhi_Snake in their minds.. or at least trying to choke him.. ;)

You evil people you.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

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"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

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Onibaka on 28 June 2011

Based on some poeple views...

I reached a conclusion:

THE ENTIRE JAPAN MUST BE ARRESTED!!!


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thats stupid....

If every person in the world that liked loli needed treatment, we would not have enough psychiatrist for everyone.



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sapphi_snake on 28 June 2011
Baalzamon said:
sapphi_snake said:

It's not as much as thoughts that's the problem (though FTR, planning to murder someone, or planning to commit a terrorist attack are also illegal, even if you're just in the plannign stage, ergo "just thinking"), as the involuntary impulses that lead to those thoughts, impulses controlled by a mental illness.

I'm having a hard time agreeing with this, because we don't know what the fuck people are planning in their head.  So whether or not it is actually illegal (which I doubt just having thoughts in your head is illegal, for the reason that we have no evidence to back it up).  If you try saying that it is, I would absolutely LOVE for you to find a criminal case where somebody was found guilty, where the ONLY evidence was thoughts inside of their head.  The same with a terrorist attack.  Nobody will ever be found guilty for solely having thoughts inside of their head.  If they were, you would see a MASSIVE percentage of the population going to jail, because the fact of the matter is, people have stray thoughts that they may not necessarily ever intend on acting on.

Regardless, these examples cannot be compared to watching manga.  Manga is outside of somebody's brain.  So rather than having absolutely no evidence, other than one's thoughts, this provides at least SOME evidence.  I'm not saying with this alone it should go one way or another, but you can't compare these things.

Well, I was talking about "planning", you'd obviously need physical evidence to prove that the person was doung such a thing. In the case of the person who thought about terrorism it could be written plans to commit such an act. In the case of the paedophile it's material such as lolicon. You can't convict someone for "thinking" something, and even if you wanted to you couldn't, unless you could somehow read people's minds.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

Torillian on 28 June 2011
sapphi_snake said:
Baalzamon said:
sapphi_snake said:

It's not as much as thoughts that's the problem (though FTR, planning to murder someone, or planning to commit a terrorist attack are also illegal, even if you're just in the plannign stage, ergo "just thinking"), as the involuntary impulses that lead to those thoughts, impulses controlled by a mental illness.

I'm having a hard time agreeing with this, because we don't know what the fuck people are planning in their head.  So whether or not it is actually illegal (which I doubt just having thoughts in your head is illegal, for the reason that we have no evidence to back it up).  If you try saying that it is, I would absolutely LOVE for you to find a criminal case where somebody was found guilty, where the ONLY evidence was thoughts inside of their head.  The same with a terrorist attack.  Nobody will ever be found guilty for solely having thoughts inside of their head.  If they were, you would see a MASSIVE percentage of the population going to jail, because the fact of the matter is, people have stray thoughts that they may not necessarily ever intend on acting on.

Regardless, these examples cannot be compared to watching manga.  Manga is outside of somebody's brain.  So rather than having absolutely no evidence, other than one's thoughts, this provides at least SOME evidence.  I'm not saying with this alone it should go one way or another, but you can't compare these things.

Well, I was talking about "planning", you'd obviously need physical evidence to prove that the person was doung such a thing. In the case of the person who thought about terrorism it could be written plans to commit such an act. In the case of the paedophile it's material such as lolicon. You can't convict someone for "thinking" something, and even if you wanted to you couldn't, unless you could somehow read people's minds.

But the only physical evidence you have isn't a plan of child molestation like in the case of the terrorist attack, all you have is a fictional story written by someone else like if you tried to convict someone of terrorism for reading a story from a terrorist's point of view and enjoying it.  They are in no way the same thing.  A plan shows that the person was actually thinking of committing a crime against other people, the manga shows that he likes the idea of it, but you can't prove that he will then take that to the point of an actual plan against a real person.  Once he makes a plan and you can prove it feel free to convict him, but not until then.

 

BTW I'd like you to provide some links to these psychiatric definitions you've been claiming like pedophiles can't possibly control themselves and everyone who has any pedophilic thoughts is automatically included in that group.



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brendude13 on 28 June 2011

Would anybody care to fill me in on what "lolicon" is?



osamanobama on 28 June 2011
sapphi_snake said:
osamanobama said:
@sapphi_snake

man, do you have the most extremist views on every subject.

ps i think another group of people, that i consider perverts, to have a mental desease.
but i dont think they should be arrested or subject to counseling because of thoughts

Luckily you're not a licensed psychiatrist, just another homophobe.

at least i can bask in the knowledge that im one of the only people (apparrently) on VGC that even knows what that word means



sapphi_snake on 28 June 2011
osamanobama said:
sapphi_snake said:
osamanobama said:
@sapphi_snake

man, do you have the most extremist views on every subject.

ps i think another group of people, that i consider perverts, to have a mental desease.
but i dont think they should be arrested or subject to counseling because of thoughts

Luckily you're not a licensed psychiatrist, just another homophobe.

at least i can bask in the knowledge that im one of the only people (apparrently) on VGC that even knows what that word means

ho·mo·phobe

    [hoh-muh-fohb] Show IPA
–noun
a person who fears or hates homosexuals  and homosexuality.
Source: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homophobe
Guess you're one of the only people on here who can't accept that words evolve in meaning.


"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)