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IncredibleZombieMan said:
Pavolink said:
IncredibleZombieMan said:

I've done it on Oot, and im on the last dungeon in tp with 3 hearts

Are you planning to do with Master Quest? Is not that dificcult, at least the cube version. And talking about OoT, how hard/easy is Ganon on 3DS OoT? I see on YouTube that is easier than N64/Cube.

BTW, no Zelda II love?

I will be getting oot on 3ds and It has master quest on it right? If it does i'll 3 heart it and the original.

Yeah, it has. Supposedly, the damage taken from enemies goes to double!



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Pavolink said:
IncredibleZombieMan said:
Pavolink said:
IncredibleZombieMan said:

I've done it on Oot, and im on the last dungeon in tp with 3 hearts

Are you planning to do with Master Quest? Is not that dificcult, at least the cube version. And talking about OoT, how hard/easy is Ganon on 3DS OoT? I see on YouTube that is easier than N64/Cube.

BTW, no Zelda II love?

I will be getting oot on 3ds and It has master quest on it right? If it does i'll 3 heart it and the original.

Yeah, it has. Supposedly, the damage taken from enemies goes to double!

So you recieve double the damage in master quest? Thats awesome



Mr Khan said:
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Ok, so I have another Zelda rant.

Currently I'm in the Snowpeak Ruins in Twilight Princess, but I'm also playing Ocarina of Time on the 3DS and some things are irking me about it.

The game had potential to be more challenging than it was had Navi not held your hand throughout the entire quest and pretty much gave you solutions to puzzles. But then, what also annoys me is how some puzzles would be pretty decent but then an item creates a scapegoat for it. For example: The very last room you visit in the Forest Temple's second floor - it has the pillar in the middle of a moat with a torch on it with the four rotating pillars around it and the frozen switch that untwists the second corridor. Most people probably didn't even have to figure out the puzzle at all and just got bailed out by using Din's Fire. There shouldn't be easy ways out of stuff like this, I don't think.

I would disagree. The ability to approach a problem in different ways is what makes the games better. I find it more irksome when there's only one solution and they go out of their way to make other solutions impossible, and prefer to experiment with all sorts of ways of fighting different enemies or engaging certain challenges

I'd agree with you if the alternative was just as challenging and not so much a shortcut.  If allowing for different approaches totally takes the challenge out of the game, then it's a bad design move.  The particular example I gave is tantamount to this.  If there was a shortcut solution to every well designed puzzle in the game, it would pretty much kill the experience for veteran players.

Also, we never had an easy way out in 2D Zelda titles...  I really wonder how someone whose first Zelda was Ocarina of Time would fare going back and playing Link's Awakening or A Link to the Past.  I'd reckon they'd have a pretty tough time of it.  I wouldn't even punish them with Zelda 1 and 2.



TWRoO said:
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IncredibleZombieMan said:
How about trying to beat a zelda game without collecting any heart peices. If anyone hasnt suggested this already.

I want to do that with Twilight Princess, Wind Waker and Ocarina of Time, because are the easiest in the serie.

See that's the kind of thing I would enjoy, but I find it difficult not to go pick up the heart piece before warping out of the boss chamber. It's a compulsion, if I don't pick up the heart I don't feel I have completed the dungeon (same as if I don't open all the dungeon chests)

I think with the number of times I have completed WindWaker, and it also being the easiest of the three, I could probably still complete the main story of the game on three hearts without needing a fairy till puppet gannon. Twilight Princess though I think I would have trouble with some of the smaller enemies, definately have to be careful around the ice enemies, and anywhere there are multiples of knights or the large lizards I think I would likely die (I don't think those high tier enemies come in multiples until the castle though)

 Temple of time had fights with multiple Lizalfos and Dinolfos at the same time and the Snowpeak Ruins had those spear-wielding ice warriors. Other than that, you should be fine. DID YOU ALL IGNORE THE GERUDO MESSA CHALLENGE IN TP OR NO ONE ACTUALLY FOUND IT DIFFICULT?



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tolu619 said:

 Temple of time had fights with multiple Lizalfos and Dinolfos at the same time and the Snowpeak Ruins had those spear-wielding ice warriors. Other than that, you should be fine. DID YOU ALL IGNORE THE GERUDO MESSA CHALLENGE IN TP OR NO ONE ACTUALLY FOUND IT DIFFICULT?

I didn't find hard. The only room a little difficult is the one with the ice warriors (or something). For the final room with the three darknuts I use bombs and the magic armor.



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IncredibleZombieMan said:

So you recieve double the damage in master quest? Thats awesome

I believe that is one new feature, because in Cube version Master Quest isn't mirrored or harder. The puzzles are different only in dungeons.



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Pavolink said:
tolu619 said:

 Temple of time had fights with multiple Lizalfos and Dinolfos at the same time and the Snowpeak Ruins had those spear-wielding ice warriors. Other than that, you should be fine. DID YOU ALL IGNORE THE GERUDO MESSA CHALLENGE IN TP OR NO ONE ACTUALLY FOUND IT DIFFICULT?

I didn't find hard. The only room a little difficult is the one with the ice warriors (or something). For the final room with the three darknuts I use bombs and the magic armor.

Bombs work on the darknuts!?

@tolu619.
I don't remember having to fight multiple of the largest lizards (the heavily armored ones that don't stun properly) in the temple of time, I think there are two instances of fighting one of the largest combined with some smaller lizards, which can be tricky as they all move fast, but the small ones can be stunned with a spin attack.
As for the ice warriors at snowpeak, they are not too difficult as in all the times you have to fight them, they are the only type of enemy... If I remember correctly the first time you meet them there are just two (before you get the pumpkin) After that you have the ball & chain. The ones in the church like room just before the boss key can be mostly destroyed before they attack whilst still on the ceiling, there are two outside that can be taken care of before they attack too... I have had trouble with the one on it's own when you cross the Southernmost room on the second floor (going across the chanderliers) because is it too far away to get with the ball & chain, and it attacks while you are crossing the chanderlier, but it's still only 1 of them.
And no I was not forgetting the Cave of Ordeals, I was mainly speaking about the main story quest. I am pretty sure, even with the new knowledge that bombs have an effect on knights/darknuts... that I would have extreme difficulty completing the Cave with only 3 hearts... even with 4 fairies and a full assortment of bomb arrows and rupees (for the magic armor).



Pavolink said:
IncredibleZombieMan said:

So you recieve double the damage in master quest? Thats awesome

I believe that is one new feature, because in Cube version Master Quest isn't mirrored or harder. The puzzles are different only in dungeons.

Yeah, I remember playing master quest on cubed. I remember that the dungeons are harder, thats the only difference I noticed.



tolu619 said:
TWRoO said:
Pavolink said:
IncredibleZombieMan said:
How about trying to beat a zelda game without collecting any heart peices. If anyone hasnt suggested this already.

I want to do that with Twilight Princess, Wind Waker and Ocarina of Time, because are the easiest in the serie.

See that's the kind of thing I would enjoy, but I find it difficult not to go pick up the heart piece before warping out of the boss chamber. It's a compulsion, if I don't pick up the heart I don't feel I have completed the dungeon (same as if I don't open all the dungeon chests)

I think with the number of times I have completed WindWaker, and it also being the easiest of the three, I could probably still complete the main story of the game on three hearts without needing a fairy till puppet gannon. Twilight Princess though I think I would have trouble with some of the smaller enemies, definately have to be careful around the ice enemies, and anywhere there are multiples of knights or the large lizards I think I would likely die (I don't think those high tier enemies come in multiples until the castle though)

 Temple of time had fights with multiple Lizalfos and Dinolfos at the same time and the Snowpeak Ruins had those spear-wielding ice warriors. Other than that, you should be fine. DID YOU ALL IGNORE THE GERUDO MESSA CHALLENGE IN TP OR NO ONE ACTUALLY FOUND IT DIFFICULT?

I ignored the Mesa because the reward wasn't worth it. Healing potions, which are good for what?



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TWRoO said:
Pavolink said:
tolu619 said:

 Temple of time had fights with multiple Lizalfos and Dinolfos at the same time and the Snowpeak Ruins had those spear-wielding ice warriors. Other than that, you should be fine. DID YOU ALL IGNORE THE GERUDO MESSA CHALLENGE IN TP OR NO ONE ACTUALLY FOUND IT DIFFICULT?

I didn't find hard. The only room a little difficult is the one with the ice warriors (or something). For the final room with the three darknuts I use bombs and the magic armor.

Bombs work on the darknuts!?

Yes. You have to throw it with good timing, the bomb have to explode in their backs. If the bomb explode in front of them, there won't be any damage, but at their back it will damage the armor.

When they don't have any pice of armor, then I use the magic ruppees.

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