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Dr.Grass said:
Mr.Y said:

So don't buy it and in the mean time you can try to not create inflammatory posts based on rumors.

Thank you, good sir.


Thank your for contributing  nothing to a topic that actually matters to me. I didn't find this discussion anywhere so I made a thread. If you have a problem with that then I would kindly ask you to not take part in my thread since it wasn't meant to enrage anyone. Just see the discussions above, they seem sensible enough to me.

Do you want me to make up rumors? I could do that.

There are a ton of other Wii U threads you could have posted to.

The thread title is clearly meant to troll. Your Fox News style use of the question mark makes that clear.



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Well they gotta make a console that's reasonably priced with probably the most expensive controller ever made.
You think the Kinect is expensive as a controller? I bet the Wii U controller won't be that far off as a sold separately item. I don't see too many households owning more than 2 of those bad boys, probably most will only have one.

Again Ninty is going for the innovation factor not the graphics powerhouse factor. Putting the tech specs up to HD output capability without going for up to date performance was probably the cost trade off for their controller.

The next 2D Mario and Mario galaxies in HD glory will keep people plenty happy and they don't need to rival UC3 or Gears o' War. And who cares about ultra high performing HD social games? Not me.

Nintendo want/need current Wii owners to upgrade to Wii U. They can achieve that in the main with slightly better than PS360 graphics performance.

For Wii U success launch price is key. They won't get away with having a console launch at double the price of Wii at launch any more than Sony could get away with what they did with PS3. And they won't launch their new console at a loss.



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From what has been displayed in the HD-Experience demo, the Wii U seems to be able to display graphics at a level where it would be difficult/impossible to create something significantly better without hardware that was an order of magnituded more powerful.

If the rumours are true and the Wii U is using an R700 it should be able to render polygon and texture detail at close to the limits that 1080p can display, and the main difference between the Wii U and systems that come after it will be the lighting and effects. With how far lighting effects have come we're hitting the limits of what can be done under a local-illumination system and we will need to move to a global illumination lighting model to really see a major change; and the successors to the HD consoles would need to more powerful than any system we can currently buy to pull that off and, unless they release in 2015 or later, this would mean that they would be very expensive.



Mr.Y said:
Dr.Grass said:
Mr.Y said:

So don't buy it and in the mean time you can try to not create inflammatory posts based on rumors.

Thank you, good sir.


Thank your for contributing  nothing to a topic that actually matters to me. I didn't find this discussion anywhere so I made a thread. If you have a problem with that then I would kindly ask you to not take part in my thread since it wasn't meant to enrage anyone. Just see the discussions above, they seem sensible enough to me.

Do you want me to make up rumors? I could do that.

There are a ton of other Wii U threads you could have posted to.

The thread title is clearly meant to troll. Your Fox News style use of the question mark makes that clear.


JFC!!!!!!!! WHINE WHINE WHINE...

''Do you want me to make up rumors? I could do that''

I'm not making up anything. It's all over the internet - in comments from magazines, websites, devs and also apparant if you look at the tech demo. IMPORTANTLY, I didn't claim it to be true; My careful choice of words was exactly made in that way to avoid people like you:

''Granted, specs haven't been released for Wii U yet, and we haven't seen enough to judge its power by. But the rumours point to it being a little more powerful than PS3''It seems like even that didn't work. SIGH.

''There are a ton of other Wii U threads you could have posted to.''

They are mostly about the controller. This thread isn't about that at all.

''The thread title is clearly meant to troll. Your Fox News style use of the question mark makes that clear.''

I don't watch any tv so I don't know what you're referring to. I sincerely apologize for making a thread exactly about the topic.

Seriously, what's your problem? Can't you just let others be?



All we know about the Wii U's technical specs are that:

-it uses a Power7 CPU
-it uses flash memory

Now, the Power7 CPU can be anywhere from approximately equal to the 360 (on the very low end), to as much as four times more powerful (on the extreme high end).

And flash memory as the main storage means much faster load times, which is a technical benefit as well.

Anything beyond that is 100% pure speculation and shouldn't be given any heed to. There were a million rumors about the WiiU and still are, and most of them have already been proven false. Don't add to the shitpile.



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binary solo said:
Well they gotta make a console that's reasonably priced with probably the most expensive controller ever made.
You think the Kinect is expensive as a controller? I bet the Wii U controller won't be that far off as a sold separately item. I don't see too many households owning more than 2 of those bad boys, probably most will only have one.

Again Ninty is going for the innovation factor not the graphics powerhouse factor. Putting the tech specs up to HD output capability without going for up to date performance was probably the cost trade off for their controller.

The next 2D Mario and Mario galaxies in HD glory will keep people plenty happy and they don't need to rival UC3 or Gears o' War. And who cares about ultra high performing HD social games? Not me.

Nintendo want/need current Wii owners to upgrade to Wii U. They can achieve that in the main with slightly better than PS360 graphics performance.

For Wii U success launch price is key. They won't get away with having a console launch at double the price of Wii at launch any more than Sony could get away with what they did with PS3. And they won't launch their new console at a loss.

While the controller will probably end up being more expensive than most controllers released today, I doubt it will be as expensive as some people think/fear. I have seen LCD touch screen based "e-readers" regularly selling for less than $100, and I suspect these devices are more expensive to manufacture than a controller that (effectively) has a "dummy terminal" that displays images that are transmitted to it from the console.



binary solo said:
Well they gotta make a console that's reasonably priced with probably the most expensive controller ever made.
You think the Kinect is expensive as a controller? I bet the Wii U controller won't be that far off as a sold separately item. I don't see too many households owning more than 2 of those bad boys, probably most will only have one.

Again Ninty is going for the innovation factor not the graphics powerhouse factor. Putting the tech specs up to HD output capability without going for up to date performance was probably the cost trade off for their controller.

The next 2D Mario and Mario galaxies in HD glory will keep people plenty happy and they don't need to rival UC3 or Gears o' War. And who cares about ultra high performing HD social games? Not me.

Nintendo want/need current Wii owners to upgrade to Wii U. They can achieve that in the main with slightly better than PS360 graphics performance.

For Wii U success launch price is key. They won't get away with having a console launch at double the price of Wii at launch any more than Sony could get away with what they did with PS3. And they won't launch their new console at a loss.


Thank you for one of the most balanced replies to my OP.



HappySqurriel said:
From what has been displayed in the HD-Experience demo, the Wii U seems to be able to display graphics at a level where it would be difficult/impossible to create something significantly better without hardware that was an order of magnituded more powerful.

If the rumours are true and the Wii U is using an R700 it should be able to render polygon and texture detail at close to the limits that 1080p can display, and the main difference between the Wii U and systems that come after it will be the lighting and effects. With how far lighting effects have come we're hitting the limits of what can be done under a local-illumination system and we will need to move to a global illumination lighting model to really see a major change; and the successors to the HD consoles would need to more powerful than any system we can currently buy to pull that off and, unless they release in 2015 or later, this would mean that they would be very expensive.

What on earth does that mean!?

I implore you to go watch Avatar on Blu-Ray on a nice big TV and tell me that anything we've ever seen in real time comes close to that.



thetonestarr said:

All we know about the Wii U's technical specs are that:

-it uses a Power7 CPU
-it uses flash memory

Now, the Power7 CPU can be anywhere from approximately equal to the 360 (on the very low end), to as much as four times more powerful (on the extreme high end).

And flash memory as the main storage means much faster load times, which is a technical benefit as well.

Anything beyond that is 100% pure speculation and shouldn't be given any heed to. There were a million rumors about the WiiU and still are, and most of them have already been proven false. Don't add to the shitpile.

The GPU will be a custom AMD Radeon HD GPU. The source is a press release. And here's one for the CPU.



thetonestarr said:

All we know about the Wii U's technical specs are that:

-it uses a Power7 CPU
-it uses flash memory

Now, the Power7 CPU can be anywhere from approximately equal to the 360 (on the very low end), to as much as four times more powerful (on the extreme high end).

And flash memory as the main storage means much faster load times, which is a technical benefit as well.

Anything beyond that is 100% pure speculation and shouldn't be given any heed to. There were a million rumors about the WiiU and still are, and most of them have already been proven false. Don't add to the shitpile.

We've also seen tech demo's as well as statements from devs.

I'm not adding to the shitpile. I am of the opinion that the discussion is sensible. If you disagree then tell me on my wall and stop derailing my thread please.