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radiantshadow92 said:

By 8gb i mean internal storage. Meaning the Hard drive. Is that right? If it is, then i am at a dissapoint. 


The Vita has a strong digital focus with all games will be available digitally day and date of release. The Vita has 0 internal storage and if I remember you are exited for the Vita so why the double standard???



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radiantshadow92 said:
Viper1 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
dahuman said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Viper1 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
wow @ the 8gb of storage -_-. Not for me thats for sure.

So buy a 2 TB HDD for $50 when it launches.

Thats a waste of money when they could just put it in and charge the same ammount themselves. The more news that keeps coming out about the wiiu, the less i am intised to buy it.


You are shitting me right? USB HDD is cheap as shit these days, and Nintendo is doing us a favor by not releasing like 2-3 SKUs at once to rip people off, how can you bitch about that? What do you think I did when I got my PS3? I tossed a 500GB HDD right in there that didn't cost me an arm and a leg, that's one reason I like the PS3 better than the 360 as well. The casual won't need that space right away, and those of us who know better will have a drive just laying around already.


Its true, its really easy for me to get space. Im not saying i wont buy the wiiU because of this, i am saying though that they can easy just have 1 sku with 120gb. And charge the same ammount that they were if it has 8gb. Its like you said, its super cheap.

Youa are confusing HDD's with flash memory.  8 GB's of flash memory (far faster than a HDD) would cost Nintendo about $5.  But 128 GB's would easily cost another $75.  An internal 128 GB HDD is rarely manufactured anymore and because of that would cost almost as much as the flash memory.   The prefect balance is to offer a starting point that is both very fast and large enough to gain an apprciation for just how much space you think you'll need.  Then you can purchase at your leisure the capacity that will suit you best.

Go take a look at HDD and flash memory price structure today.   You'll see why it makes more sense to handle it this way.

By 8gb i mean internal storage. Meaning the Hard drive. Is that right? If it is, then i am at a dissapoint. 

It's not a hard drive.  It's an internal flash memory system just like Wii (which had 512 MB).    I'm almost certain that no one manufactures an 8 GB hard drive anymore.   But remember that flash memory is also much faster.

Something else to note real quick.   Sony pushes mandatory game installs because the Blu-ray drive is just 2x which isn't very fast.  By installing the game to the hard drive, the system can access game data much faster.    With a fast optical drive speed, mandataory installs won't be necessary.

And one more thing, DLC sizes.   Many times DLC content will include multiple languages and repeated content already found on the game disc.   Thsi saves them from having to create multiple DLC files for various regions and puts the relevant game data closer to the relative files for faster access again.  If you remove all that, DLC sizes can shrink on mulitudes of serveral times.



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Viper1 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Viper1 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
dahuman said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Viper1 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
wow @ the 8gb of storage -_-. Not for me thats for sure.

So buy a 2 TB HDD for $50 when it launches.

Thats a waste of money when they could just put it in and charge the same ammount themselves. The more news that keeps coming out about the wiiu, the less i am intised to buy it.


You are shitting me right? USB HDD is cheap as shit these days, and Nintendo is doing us a favor by not releasing like 2-3 SKUs at once to rip people off, how can you bitch about that? What do you think I did when I got my PS3? I tossed a 500GB HDD right in there that didn't cost me an arm and a leg, that's one reason I like the PS3 better than the 360 as well. The casual won't need that space right away, and those of us who know better will have a drive just laying around already.


Its true, its really easy for me to get space. Im not saying i wont buy the wiiU because of this, i am saying though that they can easy just have 1 sku with 120gb. And charge the same ammount that they were if it has 8gb. Its like you said, its super cheap.

Youa are confusing HDD's with flash memory.  8 GB's of flash memory (far faster than a HDD) would cost Nintendo about $5.  But 128 GB's would easily cost another $75.  An internal 128 GB HDD is rarely manufactured anymore and because of that would cost almost as much as the flash memory.   The prefect balance is to offer a starting point that is both very fast and large enough to gain an apprciation for just how much space you think you'll need.  Then you can purchase at your leisure the capacity that will suit you best.

Go take a look at HDD and flash memory price structure today.   You'll see why it makes more sense to handle it this way.

By 8gb i mean internal storage. Meaning the Hard drive. Is that right? If it is, then i am at a dissapoint. 

It's not a hard drive.  It's an internal flash memory system just like Wii (which had 512 MB).    I'm almost certain that no one manufactures an 8 GB hard drive anymore.   But remember that flash memory is also much faster.

Something else to note real quick.   Sony pushes mandatory game installs because the Blu-ray drive is just 2x which isn't very fast.  By installing the game to the hard drive, the system can access game data much faster.    With a fast optical drive speed, mandataory installs won't be necessary.

And one more thing, DLC sizes.   Many times DLC content will include multiple languages and repeated content already found on the game disc.   Thsi saves them from having to create multiple DLC files for various regions and puts the relevant game data closer to the relative files for faster access again.  If you remove all that, DLC sizes can shrink on mulitudes of serveral times.

ah, well that would have been nice to know lol



radiantshadow92 said:
Linkasf said:
Play4Fun said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Viper1 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
wow @ the 8gb of storage -_-. Not for me thats for sure.

So buy a 2 TB HDD for $50 when it launches.

Thats a waste of money when they could just put it in and charge the same ammount themselves. The more news that keeps coming out about the wiiu, the less i am intised to buy it.


Oh please. You were never 'enticed' by it in the first place.

Don't mind him. He just comes into the Nintendo threads to downplay little things like storage space (he's living in the past, Storage shouldn't be a problem anymore).

i dont understand why you guys have to get so pissy about everything. Its quite pathetic. I go to the forums to add my thoughts and any discussion is fine, but shit like this really makes me not want to post anymore. Thats just the way it is on the nintendo forums, you cant post anything that against the the almighty 8gb nintendo system lol

See, you cant even come on a damned forum to defend youself without dissing Nintendo. We do read you know ? We do remember you know ? It's obvious how many times you diss Nintendo.



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I think it is a great idea. Giving customers their own choice. I'm still rocking like 90 gb free on my PS3. 120 gb was way too much for me. I think 60 gb would have been enough....it's like paying extra for something i dont need.



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glimmer_of_hope said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Linkasf said:
Play4Fun said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Viper1 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
wow @ the 8gb of storage -_-. Not for me thats for sure.

So buy a 2 TB HDD for $50 when it launches.

Thats a waste of money when they could just put it in and charge the same ammount themselves. The more news that keeps coming out about the wiiu, the less i am intised to buy it.


Oh please. You were never 'enticed' by it in the first place.

Don't mind him. He just comes into the Nintendo threads to downplay little things like storage space (he's living in the past, Storage shouldn't be a problem anymore).

i dont understand why you guys have to get so pissy about everything. Its quite pathetic. I go to the forums to add my thoughts and any discussion is fine, but shit like this really makes me not want to post anymore. Thats just the way it is on the nintendo forums, you cant post anything that against the the almighty 8gb nintendo system lol

See, you cant even come on a damned forum to defend youself without dissing Nintendo. We do read you know ? We do remember you know ? It's obvious how many times you diss Nintendo.


You think i diss nintendo, but really i just diss thier system and most of thier games. Its not nintendo, its what they have. And i say good things about them too http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4096195 Plus i said that Zelda looks awesome. Like i said, its not nintendo, its a bunch of thier desicions lately. If you have a problem with one of my post, please by all means, debate and tell me why you think i am wrong. Thats what a forum is all about. But saying that i only come to diss nintendo is just a bullshit. 

Edit: you know what nevermind, i noticed that even if i do only say negative things *which isn't true*, all you guys do is say positive things about them. Which is just retarded. Peace.



NightDragon83 said:
darthdevidem01 said:

This may be fine now....but by 2018 I think even 25GB may not be enough.

I'm pretty sure that by the time 2018 rolls around, Nintendo will be showing off the Wii U's successor, and I seriously doubt game developers will get to the point that they require multiple 25GB or Blu-Ray discs for games.

Devs already need multilayered bu ray discs for PS3 games.....don't doubt that within 3 years 25GB, nay 50GB may be too small.



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darthdevidem01 said:
NightDragon83 said:
darthdevidem01 said:

This may be fine now....but by 2018 I think even 25GB may not be enough.

I'm pretty sure that by the time 2018 rolls around, Nintendo will be showing off the Wii U's successor, and I seriously doubt game developers will get to the point that they require multiple 25GB or Blu-Ray discs for games.

Devs already need multilayered bu ray discs for PS3 games.....don't doubt that within 3 years 25GB, nay 50GB may be too small.

Only because they load them with all the language tracks, uncompressed audio (pointless) and redudnant data (makes data reads faster).



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Kynes said:
Linkasf said:
Kynes said:
Linkasf said:
MrT-Tar said:
25GB will be more than enough.

Hell, I can even only think of 3 Wii games that come on dual-layer DVDs (SSBB, Metroid Other M and Metroid Prime Trilogy, TLS might do but I'm not sure)

i'm not sure if you're taking into account on the graphical leap which will cause these games to take space. Not to mention if they will use uncompressed sound, textures, etc... I wonder. I hope that the space will be utilized to make longer games as well as this gen is full of 8 hour games.

Using uncompressed sound or textures in a game is absurd. You have really high quality lossy algorithms that are much more efficient in space use and need low amounts of processing power. PCM and RAW formats are only needed to work with the highest quality assets in the production stage, they aren't practical at the final stage, and the streaming speed from the optical/hard disk drive is much slower than with compressed assets.


Yea I get what you're saying and I didn't say that I would want uncompressed sound and what not. I mean, I remember when some PS3 boys would say how much better it is with it uncompressed and I never looked up to see if it was a good or bad thing. I guess now I know I wouldnt want those types of things uncompressed. Well that means more use for the disk space I hope. I really hope that the games have more content this way.


That was a way to try to justify the superiority of Blu-Ray discs. DTS and AC-3 are lossy algorithms, but have such a high quality in their highest bit rates available,  that are indistinguishable from the uncompressed sound.

But the game is the production stage, that's where the sounds are mixed, reverberation and other effects are added and projected over 5.1 or 7.1 channels. To get the best results you need lossless compressed audio, preferably in 24bit 96khz to give you enough headroom to do all the calculations. You can downsample it after all the mixing is done and all effects are added. However outputting it in 24bit 96khz is still preferable if your amp is going to apply extra filters and effects as well.

For textures compression doesn't matter as much as resolution. If the WiiU is going to do 1080p then you better get some higher res versions of textures for up close, requiring a lot more space.

25gb should be enough without too much pre rendered fmv. The Witcher 2, although not so high quality in the sound department, has pretty good texture detail for 1080p and is about 15gb. But if you add tons of high quality pre-rendered fmv in 2D and 3D versions then a 12gb game quickly turns into 41gb, see Killzone 3.

Anyway the chances that 3rd party devs are going to do HD sound mixing and make higher res textures for WiiU ports is pretty much 0. Nor do I think Nintendo will do it themselves. Stylized graphics is their strong point, not detail, same for sound effects. But it's nice to have 25gb available for ps4 / nextbox ports.



SvennoJ said:
Kynes said:


That was a way to try to justify the superiority of Blu-Ray discs. DTS and AC-3 are lossy algorithms, but have such a high quality in their highest bit rates available,  that are indistinguishable from the uncompressed sound.

But the game is the production stage, that's where the sounds are mixed, reverberation and other effects are added and projected over 5.1 or 7.1 channels. To get the best results you need lossless compressed audio, preferably in 24bit 96khz to give you enough headroom to do all the calculations. You can downsample it after all the mixing is done and all effects are added. However outputting it in 24bit 96khz is still preferable if your amp is going to apply extra filters and effects as well.

For textures compression doesn't matter as much as resolution. If the WiiU is going to do 1080p then you better get some higher res versions of textures for up close, requiring a lot more space.

25gb should be enough without too much pre rendered fmv. The Witcher 2, although not so high quality in the sound department, has pretty good texture detail for 1080p and is about 15gb. But if you add tons of high quality pre-rendered fmv in 2D and 3D versions then a 12gb game quickly turns into 41gb, see Killzone 3.

Anyway the chances that 3rd party devs are going to do HD sound mixing and make higher res textures for WiiU ports is pretty much 0. Nor do I think Nintendo will do it themselves. Stylized graphics is their strong point, not detail, same for sound effects. But it's nice to have 25gb available for ps4 / nextbox ports.

Keep in mind that the Blu-ray drive in the PS3 is slow (only 2x) and developers have used redundant data for most games as a way to reduce seek times and disc spins.  If the optical drive in Wii U is faster (and I see no reason why it won't be as even the cheapest of the cheap BD drives are 4x with most being 8-12x now with still 18 months to go) then the volume of redundant data will be reduced greatly - likely to no redundancy needed at all.

Witcher 2 is also coming to the X360 now.  We'll see how much of an impact the lower capacity has on the graphics, content and audio and how the faster drive speed of the X360 reduces redundant data.

[PS3 - 9 MB/s || X360 - 16.2 MB/s]



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