My conclusion is based on logic, not a source. Sony have sold around 1.8 billion units of software with the PS1 and PS2. You do the math.

 Narf

Bingo.

Who's logic? Lets do the math on software sales for nintendo counting GB, GBC, GBA, DS, NES, SNES, N64, GC, and Wii , whats the total there?

If you dont really have a source, and its based on "logic" I have to ask again who's logic? Sony thought it was logical to put out a george forman grill for 500 and 600 dollars respectively, they thought it was logical to release a controller that looked like a boomerang, was it? probabally not.

I thought it was generally known... feel free to disprove me, but i don't feel the need to prove myself because a lot of what you have said so far is BS.

 130 million PS2s is not the true number of PS2s sold, it may be the number Sony have made, but they have certainly not sold that many.
and claiming PS2 will sell another 15-20 million is massively optimistic.... it has sold 8.5 million in the last year, and it is very much slowing down in sales, I expect more like 5 million for 2008, followed by a further 5 million for 2009/10 --till it dies.
now if we add that 10 million to the current SALES number VGC has, we only get 125 million (though i suspect VGC is in fact a tad low, but not by more than 3-4 million)... so if you want I will round it to 130 million sold lifetime, (which does not include any Sony had to hand out for free under guarantee)

Furthermore, your comment about PS3 software cancelling the PS3 hardware loss is BS too, we know from the last fiscal reports that the PS division of Sony is losing a lot of money, and we know that the PS2 hardware and software is massively profitable, and the PSP software, although not in great demand, at least makes SOny a profit (PSP hardware may also make profit).... yet they still lose millions upon million of dollars because the PS3 hardware is dragging them down.
Which means, using basic math that  PS2+ PSP hardware profit + PS2+PSP+PS3 software profit is still significantly less than the loss on PS3 hardware.

Edit: I see your later comment clarified that you actually mean PS1+PS2 total software cancelled out PS3 hardware...this may be true but what exactly does it mean?... the Playstation brand is losing lots of money NOW, I suspect in terms of total profit the PS1 might have meant they are currently even, or possibly profitable overall, but no one cares about PS1 when Sony is losing so much on the PS3 now.

Nope. You can't do this. You can't talk about this generation, make a statement you can't backup, and then cite software sales from the last TWO generations as a reason why the PS3 isn't losing money.

The bottom line is, for every PS3 Sony sells, they lose money. The exact amount isn't certain, but they certainly aren't posting any profits. Early estimates put the losses at a little over $200, and even if Sony has closed that gap to under $50, if you say they lost an average of say ~$75 per console (VERY conservative), they have (8.5 mil * $75) to make up, and software sales this gen just aren't there yet.

It's true that the PS1 was successful, and the PS2 printed money, but both have NOTHING to do with the PS3 losing money this gen.

Your conclusion is based on "fuzzy logic". Good luck with that one .

Edited for spelling. 

What does Nintendo software sales have to do with anything? My conclusion isn't based on someones logic, it's based on reasoned and reasonable judgment ie logic. You're deluding yourself if you think they made less than 2 billion dollars on PS1 and PS2 software combined.

Lol. disprove you? Why would I do that? The burden of proof is on you. Your statement isn't based on a source, or even reasonable judgement, it's just a fact you made up out of thin air.

That's like someone saying, there's a DS orbiting the moon. Disprove me.

You two absolutely cannot be serious... If you are, then you two are as big a problem for the video gaming world as those casuals that you are so offended by.

Have either of you seen the list of RPG games coming to Nintendo's newest console? I am pretty sure there is a little more than, "fun minigames, gimmicky sports games, quick cash-ins, and shovelware" to talk about. And since it seems to have those games and still be murdering your precious favorite consoles, what is going to happen when Tales and the like start hitting?

On topic, Sony will outsell Microsoft worldwide because Microsoft has absolutely no market in Japan where Sony has at least a little penetration in America. Sorry to Microsoft fan...

When did I say the PS3 isn't losing money? I said the Playstation brand has made money. I think you should re-read the thread.