so basicly my opinion is that either Cafe:

1.Will be high end to match next gens and if it will have rumored controllers thane 499$ is certian

2.Will be retarded technologicaly in terms of technology in 2012 and at price point 349$.

Either way it's hard to predict what will casuals say and how will it stand in terms of sale to much cheaper PS3/X360 and how will it stand the test of time.3rd parties will support it early and the sales of first multiplatforms on Cafe will show the 3rd parties how much money should they invest in Cafe.

Nintendo fans will buy the console for sure but's that only about 15mln people.HD twins fans won't buy it because it won't offer AAA 18 exclusives(you know what i mean GOW etc) because Nintendo won't destroy it's family friendly look.It will be very hard to interest casuals once again because motion gameing moves no one today cause every company will offer it.

The most difficult for Nintendo is that they start long before competition(wii was showed simultanosly) and if they will have briliant idea other companies will copy it from start adapting it to their concept.

This gen will probably sale very close each other.I predict 130mln Wiis 115mln PS3 100mln X360 when last console production line will be shut for good(around 2017-2018 i supose ).So this gen will bring money to all 3 and for long time as ps2 gave profits sony even today and for us it's perfect situation in terms of fighting for consumers.I supose that next gens should also sell close to each one up to 40mln spread max.

What are you talking about 15 million Nintendo fans? Are you not aware that Wii has sold like 86 million? Or are you trying to say that non Nintendo fans bought the inferior Wii, but they will not by the superior Cafe? I also like how people say "oh 360 and ps3 will bite into sales" that is something that happens every gen for every company, for consoles and handhelds. I don't think Nintendo worries about companies copying them.....they have been doing it for years. And your math is off, it will take on average 9.2 years (that would be the year 2020)  for the PS3 to reach that number. Thats not taking into concideration the new consoles slowing down it's sales.

sorry but i don't understand what you mean :/

I meant that i didn't saw games from Nintendo that are brutal like God/Gears of War also the games like Uncharted,Infamous,Halo,GT,Forza etc.

They make famili friendly games that sell 15 to 30mln units and only insane would change police that gave you mountains of money.

sorry but i don't understand what you mean :/

I meant that i didn't saw games from Nintendo that are brutal like God/Gears of War also the games like Uncharted,Infamous,Halo,GT,Forza etc.

They make famili friendly games that sell 15 to 30mln units and only insane would change police that gave you mountains of money.

There's so much stuff in here, I don't know where to start. Well, I'll just list the reasoning issues I see, without explaining why they're problematic in too much detail:

a) The existence of Option 2, given Nintendo's long-time history, and change of vision since the exception that is the Wii.

b) Nintendo fans = 15 M. It's very difficult to number the amount of Nintendo fans because different fans buy different games. Do you consider the casual crowd fans? If you mean core fans, then you may be right, you may be wrong, it's very hard to tell unless Nintendo were a console that only catered to the core. I'll leave it at that for now.

c) HD twins fans won't buy it because GOW is a AAA-18 (lame paraphrasing to make a point). I don't like GOW. Is that a good enough argument? I don't like Killzone. I don't like Resistance and all these war games. I only like COD because it's almost a war simulator, but that's it. Some HD twin consumers like Halo and not GOW, you know what I mean (maybe).

d) Nintendo won't destroy its family friendly look. That's what people thought when it published Conquer's Bad Fur Day, or Eternal Darkness. As a matter of fact, Ninty is reaching out to Rockstar and the likes to get the more serious games on its console. Mind you blood and sex <> serious.

e) It will be very hard to interest casuals once again because motion gameing moves no one today cause every company will offer it. Motion gaming <> casual gaming. They're related, but far from equivalent. Time Crisis and Top Skater were core arcade games in the day (and still today), yet were by no means casual. DDR is more like you put it, but it's not a rule, it's more of an exception.

f) The most difficult for Nintendo is that they start long before competition. Not for N64, not for GC, not even for NES. That's 3 out of 5 home consoles. I don't even know if SNES came before Genesis. It did come before playstation, which completely copied the SNES controller, for that you're almost on (they're different gens).

g) "This gen will probably sale very close each other.I predict 130mln Wiis 115mln PS3 100mln X360" The trend isn't going up, and sales are locked at 130,000 a week for all consoles, your predicitions are based on what trend that escapes me?

h) Every sentence has an issue... So this gen will bring money to all 3. Well, thank God cause I don't know what the objective would be otherwise. Of course they made money. If they didn't, they'd be out of business. Trust me, it's happened before. Of the 3, you can be certain Nintendo made the most money this gen, by leaps and bounds, not only in terms of profit margin for its hardware, but even more with the profits it made on its phenomenally successful software.

:) Don't worry, only a few days until we see that Viper 1 and others were probably right. June 6th that is. Our vindication day. haha

3.no matter what anybody will say I do not believe Nintendo will make themeselfes a game where you can ripp some one arms and head or cut sumbady in half with tons of blood.that's just won't gona happen.Of course 3rd party can publish it on their console but Nintendo will never publish and develop such game by itself.

6.PSX didn't copy SNES. Mrs Ohga wanted controllers tobie flat and rectangular as SNES one but designer fightet with the Sony bess so it can be 3D and with much more buttons.

3. You never played Eternal Darkness, did you?  Hacking off limbs and heads was a main portion of gameplay.

6. Actually, the original Play Station pad was based on the SNES design because it was part of the joint development between Sony and Nintendo.  After that failed, Sony altered the design a few times before finalizing the game pad.  But if you look at those progressions, you can easily see the SNES pad origins.

Sony and Big N worked only on technical/cd rom side of console.I read lately that when Ohga saw PSX pad(first one without sticks) he wanted to throw it out of window:)Kutaragi risked his carrer to defend his vision about PS.

Yeah he wanted to through it out the window.  Because it looked like a hybrid between the SNES pad (bulged, rounded edges and shoulder buttons) and the Genesis pad (2 rows of 3 face buttons).