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Play4Fun on 01 June 2011
 

@ brazylianwisnia

1. Sony and MS will launch a year after Cafe. They won't give Nintendo  more than one year on the market alone.

Neither of them will have a GTX 580 in their console. It's hot, expensive and sucks up almost as much power as a whole console should. Just like most of the really high-end GPUs nowadays. This isn't 2005 anymore and MS and Sony aren't building PC-size consoles with with a cooling system!

I'm expecting something like the ATI 6950 from MS or Sony. Their GPUs will be around that power.

 

2. Ever heard of the PS2? Least powerful console of its generatiion? cafe will be around that level and MS and Sony's consoles will be what Xbox and/or GC were to PS2. Cafe will have NO problem getting ports like this gen.

 

3. MS wasn't profitable on hardware from day one. Where did you hear that from? Sony have already released a statement saying they won't be putting out a massive profit loss like the PS3 and MS have been said to be eyeing a more profitable launch. You must be mad if you think either are looking for a repeat of this gen.

Also, Before PS3, Sony was never most powerful of the last generations and before Wii Nintendo was never the least powerful.

 

Nintendo doesn't have to be as powerful as consoles launching a year after it (That's crazy). They just have to be powerful enough, you know, like PS2 was.

 

1. They have their own exclusives. They can leave 3rd parties to cater to those gamers.

 

2. That makes no sense, so because 5 yr old consoles have a larger audience that a new console, it will be hard for 3rd parties to port games to it? All new consoles get ports.

 

Sony and MS WILL be more powerful than Cafe but not to the extent that PS360 were to Wii when Nintendo purposely held back on power for their strategy.



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Mr Khan on 01 June 2011
KhinRunite said:
brazylianwisnia said:
TomaTito said:

Adult games? Have a look at this article

Sorry for misunderstanding.by adults I think about main target for every company 20-25 year,no children,living with parents,working with budget of 800-1000$ monthly to spend on whatever he/she wants.

Oh my God. How I wish I have that much excess money monthly. I don't normally feel insecure but lol...

Don't i know it. I'm in that age range and i have maybe that budget to spend on games a year, and usually a bit less than that...



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Viper1 on 01 June 2011
brazylianwisnia said:

I don't won't to be meen but i work as a technologist in one of the company that produces RAM.

And i now  something about producing GPUs and CPUs costs.

If GPU cost 400$ on shelf it cost to produce is a little above 100$ and with potential contract for 50-100mln GPUs(Best sold ever GPUs for PC sold around 4-5mln) contract the profit which NVIDIA would take around 4-5$ on one GPU.These are the cost of manufactring for today.if console would be maid for late 2012 start it would cost 60$ with profit of Nvidia.In 2013 these would be around 45$.

So judging by past in next console there will be put GPU for around 110$ so if X3/PS3 will start late 2012 you can expect modified 2xGPU SLI from end of this year with mid power consumption with power around 2xGTX580.look when ps3 started in 2006 it contained RSX which is compared to 2x6800Ultra combined in SLI,the video card from 2004) so it's not lot to expect to have 2x 2010 cards combined in SLI for 2012/2013 hardware.and X360 debuted in 2005 and have even better GPU.PS3 wasn't expensive because of GPU it,was BD,and second CPU from PS2 that made the price 150$ higher than it could be.if PS3 would debuted as naked consol only with DVD and CPU from Intel it would have the same gaming capabilities but it could start for 349$.

That's a rare case.  The GTX 580 isn't as powerful as GTX 480 in SLI.  Not by a logn shot.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4008/nvidias-geforce-gtx-580

So expecting the PS4 to have a GPU that is as capable as the GTX 580 in SLI is nuts.

brazylianwisnia said:

I will say it once again:

If Cafe will be truly high end console nearly on par with PS4/X3 than they will have 3rd party support but if

it will be inferior as Wii to PS3/X360 than they won't have much support.but i won't believe it will be technicaly similiar because their controlers will be expensive to make and they will steal the power to process the image and send it to the controler in HD(because it won't be the same image as on TV).And they won't put a console for 499$.That is my opinion and i think we are here to exchange our opinions and not to build our egos,right?

No, the comparison is not valid at all.

The Wii had no shaders, SD resolutions, and 2001 era performance.  That's a major difference.  You are looking at Project Cafe having the same shaders, the same resolutiosn and only a 1-2 year performance difference.  It's like PS2 to Xbox.  Not Wii to PS3.



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milkyjoe on 01 June 2011
RolStoppable said:
milkyjoe said:
TomaTito said:

Adult games? Have a look at this article

That is an absolutely fantastic article, the writer has pretty much nailed every problem that I have with gaming today and the mature ideals currently put forward in such a terrible way.

You think so? I found that about half of the article is quite silly.

Yeah, I could quite easily get behind everything in that article. Especially number 1.

Every time I try to play online, I hear some stupid kid mouthing off in the most moronic way imaginable. If they were blocked from the game I'm playing by default, then I'd play online more. If we extend it to gaming forums, I wouldn't have to read nonsense about Lady Gaga in the Sales forum...

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.



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Xen on 01 June 2011
RolStoppable said:
milkyjoe said:
TomaTito said:

Adult games? Have a look at this article

That is an absolutely fantastic article, the writer has pretty much nailed every problem that I have with gaming today and the mature ideals currently put forward in such a terrible way.

You think so? I found that about half of the article is quite silly.

He forgot the last point:

Mature people don't bitch about anything and everything/act like some teenager stuck a pole up their... y'know.

I found that article really annoying and disturbing.



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brazylianwisnia on 01 June 2011
Mr Khan said:
KhinRunite said:
brazylianwisnia said:
TomaTito said:

Adult games? Have a look at this article

Sorry for misunderstanding.by adults I think about main target for every company 20-25 year,no children,living with parents,working with budget of 800-1000$ monthly to spend on whatever he/she wants.

Oh my God. How I wish I have that much excess money monthly. I don't normally feel insecure but lol...

Don't i know it. I'm in that age range and i have maybe that budget to spend on games a year, and usually a bit less than that...

but are you working full time,live with parents,no kids?cause i live in Poland, i earn a little above 1,500$ monthly,have no kids,live with parents and I spend 150$ on food,100$ on fuel,100$ to parents on bils(electricity,water,internet,TV),15$ on mobile calls and I have around 1100$ on my spendings monthly in Poland so in USA for example can't be worse,right?



NJ5 on 01 June 2011
milkyjoe said:
RolStoppable said:
milkyjoe said:
TomaTito said:

Adult games? Have a look at this article

That is an absolutely fantastic article, the writer has pretty much nailed every problem that I have with gaming today and the mature ideals currently put forward in such a terrible way.

You think so? I found that about half of the article is quite silly.

Yeah, I could quite easily get behind everything in that article. Especially number 1.

Every time I try to play online, I hear some stupid kid mouthing off in the most moronic way imaginable. If they were blocked from the game I'm playing by default, then I'd play online more. If we extend it to gaming forums, I wouldn't have to read nonsense about Lady Gaga in the Sales forum...

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.


Play online on the PC instead. For example TF2, there are still kids talking sometimes (rarely), but I've never heard any retarded ones. I guess it also helps to choose your servers well...



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Goodlife on 01 June 2011
homer said:

Worst case scenario is that people decide to port ps3/360 games to the cafe, making its library extremely similar to the competition, and no one decides to upgrade because 3rd parties are unwilling to put effort into using the wii2 to its full potential/the better version. It simply becomes a port machine. Then ps4/xbox 3 come around offering better graphics and such. 3rd parties jump onto these consoles and the wii 2 gets dumbed down ports like the wii. After the gen is over, we realize that the only people who actually used the wii 2 to its full potential was nintendo...

This is off topic, but I think the xbox 3 will win next gen only because of weak competition. It may be too early, but remember this either so you can laugh at me in the future, or so you can praise my random guess that happened to be correct...

Cafe will have Nintendo games though.

That's enough for me.



milkyjoe on 01 June 2011
RolStoppable said:
milkyjoe said:

Yeah, I could quite easily get behind everything in that article. Especially number 1.

Every time I try to play online, I hear some stupid kid mouthing off in the most moronic way imaginable. If they were blocked from the game I'm playing by default, then I'd play online more. If we extend it to gaming forums, I wouldn't have to read nonsense about Lady Gaga in the Sales forum...

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

That would only solve part of the problem. You see, there is no definite point of time when people stop being stupid. Once someone turns 18, it doesn't mean that the person will never act like an idiot again. Sure, the probability is lower at a higher age, but it's not completely eliminated.

Setting an age limit would only guarantee you that all the idiots you run into are at least 18 years old. Nothing more. And gaming forums should be evidence enough that adults don't necessarily act mature.

Agreed. There are mature 15 year olds (as I think the author mentioned in the article), and there are idiotic 30 year olds.

I could take a few crazy adults that I can easily mute/block if it meant all the loud mouthed kids were elsewhere though.



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brazylianwisnia on 01 June 2011
Viper1 said:
brazylianwisnia said:

 

No, the comparison is not valid at all.

The Wii had no shaders, SD resolutions, and 2001 era performance.  That's a major difference.  You are looking at Project Cafe having the same shaders, the same resolutiosn and only a 1-2 year performance difference.  It's like PS2 to Xbox.  Not Wii to PS3.


But do you know the specs?I don't,neither do you so I just said that it depends what is the plan for Cafe.Do they plan to make it with DX 10 and a little more powerful than PS3 with controllers with HD touch screen for 299$-349$ price point or do they want to make the best performance possible for a console with controllers as it's rumored for 499$.

I believe expecting GPU more powerful from 2-3 year old PC GPU is nothing insane.Especialy that it will cost to produce around 50-60$.Sony said they won't invest 2bilion$ fo developing another CPU or GPU.They will just go to Intel and Nvidia and make deal with them.I think we can expect the BD(not nothing new) so the costs of the drive will be 30$ not 150$ like when PS3 started so I believe if they will be targeting 400-449$ target price point than 130$ CPU and 130$ GPU is resonable and now it's more than enough to produce GTX580 so think how it will change in 1,5-2 years from now.