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brazylianwisnia said:

I don't won't to be meen but i work as a technologist in one of the company that produces RAM.

And i now  something about producing GPUs and CPUs costs.

If GPU cost 400$ on shelf it cost to produce is a little above 100$ and with potential contract for 50-100mln GPUs(Best sold ever GPUs for PC sold around 4-5mln) contract the profit which NVIDIA would take around 4-5$ on one GPU.These are the cost of manufactring for today.if console would be maid for late 2012 start it would cost 60$ with profit of Nvidia.In 2013 these would be around 45$.

So judging by past in next console there will be put GPU for around 110$ so if X3/PS3 will start late 2012 you can expect modified 2xGPU SLI from end of this year with mid power consumption with power around 2xGTX580.look when ps3 started in 2006 it contained RSX which is compared to 2x6800Ultra combined in SLI,the video card from 2004) so it's not lot to expect to have 2x 2010 cards combined in SLI for 2012/2013 hardware.and X360 debuted in 2005 and have even better GPU.PS3 wasn't expensive because of GPU it,was BD,and second CPU from PS2 that made the price 150$ higher than it could be.if PS3 would debuted as naked consol only with DVD and CPU from Intel it would have the same gaming capabilities but it could start for 349$.

That's a rare case.  The GTX 580 isn't as powerful as GTX 480 in SLI.  Not by a logn shot.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4008/nvidias-geforce-gtx-580

So expecting the PS4 to have a GPU that is as capable as the GTX 580 in SLI is nuts.

brazylianwisnia said:

I will say it once again:

If Cafe will be truly high end console nearly on par with PS4/X3 than they will have 3rd party support but if

it will be inferior as Wii to PS3/X360 than they won't have much support.but i won't believe it will be technicaly similiar because their controlers will be expensive to make and they will steal the power to process the image and send it to the controler in HD(because it won't be the same image as on TV).And they won't put a console for 499$.That is my opinion and i think we are here to exchange our opinions and not to build our egos,right?

No, the comparison is not valid at all.

The Wii had no shaders, SD resolutions, and 2001 era performance.  That's a major difference.  You are looking at Project Cafe having the same shaders, the same resolutiosn and only a 1-2 year performance difference.  It's like PS2 to Xbox.  Not Wii to PS3.



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