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thranx said:

They tried to flex their monetary might in the face of consumer rights and failed. He can still use their products by the way. He also had nothing do with piracy or with releasing sony trade secretys, noth of which are criminaly illegal. The case sony brought was not a criminal case but a civil suit, very different. If sony cared about piracy they would go after pirates not someone completely unrelated to it.

 

He agreed to numerous terms relating to Sony products.  He was tried civilly as what he did to acquire the trade secrets isn't necessarily criminally illegal (Though Civil action can be brought down, and it was).

How exactly did they fail?  He agreed to their terms, not the other way around.   Saying he had nothing to do with piracy is so naive it's laughable.   Because he said so right?  

 

Smart business would have been to keep otherOS and not have it gimped by by not letting people have access to all the hardwware they bought. Than the only hacks that could happen would be illegal ones that imvlolved breaching the PSN wich consumers do not own, or piracy wich is illegal. Instead sony went the other root and tried to close out their sytem and force ordinary consumers to hack their own equiptemnt if they want to use for other purposes besides ps3 gaming.

Smart business dictated that keeping OtherOS was a mistake.  They removed it,  I could careless.  Maybe they pissed off the hornets nest of hackers, but that's only because they tried to 'stop' their system from being hacked.

Every company tries to protect itself from these things, failing to ignore that is retarded. Like many of the posters here, it's all about motive in the ongoing 'Fanboy War'. 





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Rpruett said:
thranx said:
 

They tried to flex their monetary might in the face of consumer rights and failed. He can still use their products by the way. He also had nothing do with piracy or with releasing sony trade secretys, noth of which are criminaly illegal. The case sony brought was not a criminal case but a civil suit, very different. If sony cared about piracy they would go after pirates not someone completely unrelated to it.

 

He agreed to numerous terms relating to Sony products.  He was tried civilly as what he did to acquire the trade secrets isn't necessarily criminally illegal (Though Civil action can be brought down, and it was).

How exactly did they fail?  He agreed to their terms, not the other way around.   Saying he had nothing to do with piracy is so naive it's laughable.   Because he said so right? 

Kasz are you out ther? you explained so well in the other psn threads i will leave this to you, hope you read it.

I will give the short version, the case was a wash neither side won or lost, no new case law was created and we will be in the same boat when the ps4 gets hacks. I will agree geohot did wi either, but nor did he loose. It was a wash 

 

Smart business would have been to keep otherOS and not have it gimped by by not letting people have access to all the hardwware they bought. Than the only hacks that could happen would be illegal ones that imvlolved breaching the PSN wich consumers do not own, or piracy wich is illegal. Instead sony went the other root and tried to close out their sytem and force ordinary consumers to hack their own equiptemnt if they want to use for other purposes besides ps3 gaming.

Smart business dictated that keeping OtherOS was a mistake.  They removed it,  I could careless.  Maybe they pissed off the hornets nest of hackers, but that's only because they tried to 'stop' their system from being hacked.

Every company tries to protect itself from these things, failing to ignore that is retarded. Like many of the posters here, it's all about motive in the ongoing 'Fanboy War'. 

Smart business is making money, and keeping your customers happy and looking like a company that knows what it is doing. From what sony has done, they have lost the faith of some customers, they made theire whole network security look like a joke to rational consumers. They have cost their bottom line in the fact they are paying more money to secure their networks now and have to foot the bill for identity theft protection. Where in that was good busness sense? And they have the same priacy problem they would have they not made those decisons. Not too mention all this drama is not over yet apparently. Where in that was the good business choices?







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BenVTrigger said:

I'm so over hackers...............

God that's fine if you've got beef with Sony but take it out on them, all these attacks are hurting us as consumers.  Why can't we just play our games in peace.


Why can't some people just use their ps3 as they please? Why must sony go on a rampage and take people to court? They just want to use their equiptement as they please, I mean they did buy it.


they can but when it gets to the point where people take over online gaming making games unplayable ( which happened with CoD for example ) and start pirating then action has to be taken

Good, so we agree. Geohot was justified in what he did, Sony was wrong to sue him. The people hacking the PSN should be brought to justice through the criminal court sytem, as should pirtates. Sometimes I wonder why we all argue so much

posting the keys ( which geoihot did ) online caused most of the piracy and cheating


by that logic, sony releasing the ps3 caused piracy on the ps3. I mean there would be no piracy pronlem on the ps3 if sony did not release it. we are getting back to the should we hold gun companies responsible for shooting victims? Knife companies for stabbing victims? PC makers for making PC's?

Thats the problem with lumping all hackers as one goup when they are not. Why not pursue those break laws instead of those that dont like most sane people/countries/corporatons?

 

edit: you seem to be at odds with some points, i suggest you re read some of we have talked about and research the geohot case some more.


"sony releasing the ps3 caused piracy on the ps3" true i can't disagree there

"Why not pursue those break laws instead" because regardless of whether what he did was unlawful or not the bottomline is that it had an extremely adverse effect on services they were trying to provide for their customers

www.gamefront.com/call-of-duty-multiplayer-now-unplayable-thanks-to-ps3 -hack

and also on the work provided by their devs

www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2011/02/14/killzone-3-leaked/1



o_O.Q said:

"From what I heard"...exactly you do not know you heard it indirectly and you're making assumptions


gamefront.com/call-of-duty-multiplayer-now-unplayable-thanks-to-ps3 -hack

edit : its funny that according to some people here the average consumer must suffer so that an extremely small minority can be happy... sounds like the good old days of the feudal system


From your source " However, the number of legitimate players severely outweighs the bad apples." See that title is an example of posting something for hits... Seems to have worked, sucked you right in. And when I said I "heard it" I meant from friends that were playing... not someone writing stuff for hits. 

Plus see how it was fixed... Blizzard patched it... 



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o_O.Q said:
thranx said:
o_O.Q said:
thranx said:
o_O.Q said:
thranx said:
BenVTrigger said:

I'm so over hackers...............

God that's fine if you've got beef with Sony but take it out on them, all these attacks are hurting us as consumers.  Why can't we just play our games in peace.


Why can't some people just use their ps3 as they please? Why must sony go on a rampage and take people to court? They just want to use their equiptement as they please, I mean they did buy it.


they can but when it gets to the point where people take over online gaming making games unplayable ( which happened with CoD for example ) and start pirating then action has to be taken

Good, so we agree. Geohot was justified in what he did, Sony was wrong to sue him. The people hacking the PSN should be brought to justice through the criminal court sytem, as should pirtates. Sometimes I wonder why we all argue so much

posting the keys ( which geoihot did ) online caused most of the piracy and cheating


by that logic, sony releasing the ps3 caused piracy on the ps3. I mean there would be no piracy pronlem on the ps3 if sony did not release it. we are getting back to the should we hold gun companies responsible for shooting victims? Knife companies for stabbing victims? PC makers for making PC's?

Thats the problem with lumping all hackers as one goup when they are not. Why not pursue those break laws instead of those that dont like most sane people/countries/corporatons?

 

edit: you seem to be at odds with some points, i suggest you re read some of we have talked about and research the geohot case some more.


"sony releasing the ps3 caused piracy on the ps3" true i can't disagree there

"Why not pursue those break laws instead" because regardless of whether what he did was unlawful or not the bottomline is that it had an extremely adverse effect on services they were trying to provide for their customers

www.gamefront.com/call-of-duty-multiplayer-now-unplayable-thanks-to-ps3 -hack

and also on the work provided by their devs

www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2011/02/14/killzone-3-leaked/1

ok, so you agree with me again that geohot did no wrong and sony should not ahve sued him? I mean I am not ging to lie you are really confusing me.



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And there was piracy before Geohot... why do people forget that? 



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dsister said:

And there was piracy before Geohot... why do people forget that? 


before geohot this never happened :

www.gamefront.com/call-of-duty-multiplayer-now-unplayable-thanks-to-ps3 -hack/



o_O.Q said:

"From what I heard"...exactly you do not know you heard it indirectly and you're making assumptions


gamefront.com/call-of-duty-multiplayer-now-unplayable-thanks-to-ps3 -hack

edit : its funny that according to some people here the average consumer must suffer so that an extremely small minority can be happy... sounds like the good old days of the feudal system

bwahahahahahahahahahahahah xD 

Get out of here with that crap. That's linking off of joystiq. Which is using a freaking forum poster.... Thanks, I needed the laugh... good times , good times 



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dsister said:

And there was piracy before Geohot... why do people forget that? 

because hackers are inheritly evil and will be the end of all things good apparently. they are going to cost people jobs and their familes will starve. All because gehot opened up his ps3 for his personal use./sarcasm

I dont get what they are thinking either.

Just to clarify for people I am anti piracy and anti hacking the PSN( or any network for that matter). I am just pro consumer rights.



o_O.Q said:


before geohot this never happened :

www.gamefront.com/call-of-duty-multiplayer-now-unplayable-thanks-to-ps3 -hack/


Stop posting a source using a forum poster as a source. I can't breathe xD xD xD 



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