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o_O.Q on 31 May 2011
thranx said:
BenVTrigger said:

I'm so over hackers...............

God that's fine if you've got beef with Sony but take it out on them, all these attacks are hurting us as consumers.  Why can't we just play our games in peace.


Why can't some people just use their ps3 as they please? Why must sony go on a rampage and take people to court? They just want to use their equiptement as they please, I mean they did buy it.


they can but when it gets to the point where people take over online gaming making games unplayable ( which happened with CoD for example ) and start pirating then action has to be taken



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Galaki on 31 May 2011
steverhcp02 said:

Yeap, enjoy it now when its on a gaming forum against a company you dont like because whether you like it or not, these companies viablilty in the real world mean a lot more than people here so cavalierly ignore. The only thing thats going to come of this is increased consumer costs to maintain protection and probably stricter laws and limited consumer rights and or functionality. So get all your laughs in now because if this keeps up and/or spreads and companies post losses because of this real families who get let go will suffer.

Its fun to hate the big bad corperation until you grow up and realize that your neighbor gets a paycheck from a Sony distrubutor and hes the one who suffers, not "Sony"

By your logic, Sony should not have protection at all to make things cheaper. Banks shouldn't need safes neither, all they do is add costs.



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o_O.Q on 31 May 2011
steverhcp02 said:
thranx said:
KylieDog said:

 

"Fear me Sony!"


Apparantly sony does, how much have these "basement" dwellers cost sony? How great does sony look in the light of these hacks to general public? Pretty badly if you ask me, kind of sad. You would think a suit and tie company funded by millions(maybe more) would be able to stop that guy  in his basement with apparently no job.

Yeap, enjoy it now when its on a gaming forum against a company you dont like because whether you like it or not, these companies viablilty in the real world mean a lot more than people here so cavalierly ignore. The only thing thats going to come of this is increased consumer costs to maintain protection and probably stricter laws and limited consumer rights and or functionality. So get all your laughs in now because if this keeps up and/or spreads and companies post losses because of this real families who get let go will suffer.

Its fun to hate the big bad corperation until you grow up and realize that your neighbor gets a paycheck from a Sony distrubutor and hes the one who suffers, not "Sony"

exactly



thranx on 31 May 2011
o_O.Q said:
thranx said:
BenVTrigger said:

I'm so over hackers...............

God that's fine if you've got beef with Sony but take it out on them, all these attacks are hurting us as consumers.  Why can't we just play our games in peace.


Why can't some people just use their ps3 as they please? Why must sony go on a rampage and take people to court? They just want to use their equiptement as they please, I mean they did buy it.


they can but when it gets to the point where people take over online gaming making games unplayable ( which happened with CoD for example ) and start pirating then action has to be taken

Good, so we agree. Geohot was justified in what he did, Sony was wrong to sue him. The people hacking the PSN should be brought to justice through the criminal court sytem, as should pirtates. Sometimes I wonder why we all argue so much



o_O.Q on 31 May 2011
thranx said:
Rpruett said:
thranx said:
BenVTrigger said:

I'm so over hackers...............

God that's fine if you've got beef with Sony but take it out on them, all these attacks are hurting us as consumers.  Why can't we just play our games in peace.


Why can't some people just use their ps3 as they please? Why must sony go on a rampage and take people to court? They just want to use their equiptement as they please, I mean they did buy it.

They took one person to court for releasing their trade secrets to the whole world, which could have financially devastating effects on their business.  It's not crazy, absurd or in any way outlandish.  It's smart business by Sony as they have plenty of attorneys sitting around on payroll. 

They didn't hurt this poor wittle guy.  They got him away from their products (And he signed off on it).

They tried to flex their monetary might in the face of consumer rights and failed. He can still use their products by the way. He also had nothing do with piracy or with releasing sony trade secretys, noth of which are criminaly illegal. The case sony brought was not a criminal case but a civil suit, very different. If sony cared about piracy they would go after pirates not someone completely unrelated to it.

 

Smart business would have been to keep otherOS and not have it gimped by by not letting people have access to all the hardwware they bought. Than the only hacks that could happen would be illegal ones that imvlolved breaching the PSN wich consumers do not own, or piracy wich is illegal. Instead sony went the other root and tried to close out their sytem and force ordinary consumers to hack their own equiptemnt if they want to use for other purposes besides ps3 gaming.

"He also had nothing do with piracy or with releasing sony trade secretys"

he obviously disagrees with you as he himself admitted to posting the medlr keys, keys which allowed for the ps3 to be unlocked



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thranx on 31 May 2011
o_O.Q said:
thranx said:
Rpruett said:
thranx said:
BenVTrigger said:

I'm so over hackers...............

God that's fine if you've got beef with Sony but take it out on them, all these attacks are hurting us as consumers.  Why can't we just play our games in peace.


Why can't some people just use their ps3 as they please? Why must sony go on a rampage and take people to court? They just want to use their equiptement as they please, I mean they did buy it.

They took one person to court for releasing their trade secrets to the whole world, which could have financially devastating effects on their business.  It's not crazy, absurd or in any way outlandish.  It's smart business by Sony as they have plenty of attorneys sitting around on payroll. 

They didn't hurt this poor wittle guy.  They got him away from their products (And he signed off on it).

They tried to flex their monetary might in the face of consumer rights and failed. He can still use their products by the way. He also had nothing do with piracy or with releasing sony trade secretys, noth of which are criminaly illegal. The case sony brought was not a criminal case but a civil suit, very different. If sony cared about piracy they would go after pirates not someone completely unrelated to it.

 

Smart business would have been to keep otherOS and not have it gimped by by not letting people have access to all the hardwware they bought. Than the only hacks that could happen would be illegal ones that imvlolved breaching the PSN wich consumers do not own, or piracy wich is illegal. Instead sony went the other root and tried to close out their sytem and force ordinary consumers to hack their own equiptemnt if they want to use for other purposes besides ps3 gaming.

"He also had nothing do with piracy or with releasing sony trade secretys"

he obviously disagrees with you as he himself admitted to posting the medlr keys, keys which allowed for the ps3 to be unlocked


ok? And where in that is piracy or trade secrets? please show me

 

I never said he did not hack the ps3, i said he is perfectly in his right to do so. You even agreed with me up there a few post ago



dsister on 31 May 2011
o_O.Q said:


they can but when it gets to the point where people take over online gaming making games unplayable ( which happened with CoD for example ) and start pirating then action has to be taken


Stop that! CoD wasn't unplayable... From what I heard cheating only occured a quarter as much as it did in the x360 version. Which certainly wasn't unplayable. And it was fixed when Blizzard patched it... which is what they are there for... keeping up their games >__>



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o_O.Q on 31 May 2011
thranx said:
o_O.Q said:
thranx said:
BenVTrigger said:

I'm so over hackers...............

God that's fine if you've got beef with Sony but take it out on them, all these attacks are hurting us as consumers.  Why can't we just play our games in peace.


Why can't some people just use their ps3 as they please? Why must sony go on a rampage and take people to court? They just want to use their equiptement as they please, I mean they did buy it.


they can but when it gets to the point where people take over online gaming making games unplayable ( which happened with CoD for example ) and start pirating then action has to be taken

Good, so we agree. Geohot was justified in what he did, Sony was wrong to sue him. The people hacking the PSN should be brought to justice through the criminal court sytem, as should pirtates. Sometimes I wonder why we all argue so much

posting the keys ( which geoihot did ) online caused most of the piracy and cheating



o_O.Q on 31 May 2011
dsister said:
o_O.Q said:


they can but when it gets to the point where people take over online gaming making games unplayable ( which happened with CoD for example ) and start pirating then action has to be taken


Stop that! CoD wasn't unplayable... From what I heard cheating only occured a quarter as much as it did in the x360 version. Which certainly wasn't unplayable. And it was fixed when Blizzard patched it... which is what they are there for... keeping up their games >__>

"From what I heard"...exactly you do not know you heard it indirectly and you're making assumptions


gamefront.com/call-of-duty-multiplayer-now-unplayable-thanks-to-ps3 -hack

edit : its funny that according to some people here the average consumer must suffer so that an extremely small minority can be happy... sounds like the good old days of the feudal system



thranx on 31 May 2011
o_O.Q said:
thranx said:
o_O.Q said:
thranx said:
BenVTrigger said:

I'm so over hackers...............

God that's fine if you've got beef with Sony but take it out on them, all these attacks are hurting us as consumers.  Why can't we just play our games in peace.


Why can't some people just use their ps3 as they please? Why must sony go on a rampage and take people to court? They just want to use their equiptement as they please, I mean they did buy it.


they can but when it gets to the point where people take over online gaming making games unplayable ( which happened with CoD for example ) and start pirating then action has to be taken

Good, so we agree. Geohot was justified in what he did, Sony was wrong to sue him. The people hacking the PSN should be brought to justice through the criminal court sytem, as should pirtates. Sometimes I wonder why we all argue so much

posting the keys ( which geoihot did ) online caused most of the piracy and cheating


by that logic, sony releasing the ps3 caused piracy on the ps3. I mean there would be no piracy pronlem on the ps3 if sony did not release it. we are getting back to the should we hold gun companies responsible for shooting victims? Knife companies for stabbing victims? PC makers for making PC's?

Thats the problem with lumping all hackers as one goup when they are not. Why not pursue those break laws instead of those that dont like most sane people/countries/corporatons?

 

edit: you seem to be at odds with some points, i suggest you re read some of we have talked about and research the geohot case some more.