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NJ5 on 31 May 2011
Ajescent said:

You have the right to hack things that belong to you but when you compromise the integrity other people's enjoyment THEN you are drawing firstblood. Did Geohot REALLY need to release his hack knowing full well it could lead to more headaches than necessary.

And also, no matter how you look at it, there's no way to justify stealing people's info.

Sony is not special. The PS3 is not special. There are tons of websites about jailbreaking all kinds of devices, the instructions for doing so are perfectly legal to spread around.

Regarding your last paragraph, I never defended that.



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Ajescent on 31 May 2011
NJ5 said:
Ajescent said:

You have the right to hack things that belong to you but when you compromise the integrity other people's enjoyment THEN you are drawing firstblood. Did Geohot REALLY need to release his hack knowing full well it could lead to more headaches than necessary.

And also, no matter how you look at it, there's no way to justify stealing people's info.

Sony is not special. The PS3 is not special. There are tons of websites about jailbreaking all kinds of devices, the instructions for doing so are perfectly legal to spread around.

Regarding your last paragraph, I never defended that.


Sorry, didn't mean to sound as if I was accusing you of defending that.



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NJ5 on 31 May 2011
S____M____C____C said:

He opened up a product for piracy; piracy that would harm the profits of a very important company that provides vital competition and employs over 150,000 people. The Piracy would also affect the whole developing community. Basically, his actions could have led to very damaging consequences for many, many people.

I don't believe this should be promoted. Anyway, i'l leave it at that - we obviously aren't going to agree here. 


In the eyes of the law, the size of the company doesn't matter. A US court has already deemed that jailbreaking a device is legal, and no one has ever been deemed guilty of releasing jailbreaking guides.

If you don't have anything which contradicts the above, we should leave it at that...



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The Fury on 31 May 2011
NJ5 said:
S____M____C____C said:

He opened up a product for piracy; piracy that would harm the profits of a very important company that provides vital competition and employs over 150,000 people. The Piracy would also affect the whole developing community. Basically, his actions could have led to very damaging consequences for many, many people.

I don't believe this should be promoted. Anyway, i'l leave it at that - we obviously aren't going to agree here. 


In the eyes of the law, the size of the company doesn't matter. A US court has already deemed that jailbreaking a device is legal, and no one has ever been deemed guilty of releasing jailbreaking guides.

If you don't have anything which contradicts the above, we should leave it at that...

While he didn't break the law he was still sued for harming Sony's products and potentially their profits which they are allowed to sue over.

If games are stolen because of piracy this is less money towards a developer which could easily put them out of business (Sony owned or not).

You don't think Apple would happily gaurd against any jailbroken phone if they could do it? Make it so that thousands of Apps don't get stolen every day? 



Hmm, pie.

NJ5 on 31 May 2011
The Fury said:

While he didn't break the law he was still sued for harming Sony's products and potentially their profits which they are allowed to sue over.

If games are stolen because of piracy this is less money towards a developer which could easily put them out of business (Sony owned or not).

You don't think Apple would happily disabled any jailbroken phone if they could do it? Make it so that thousands of Apps don't get stolen every day? 

He was sued but that lawsuit didn't go anywhere (the settlement reached out of court was almost without consequences for Geohot). Sony can try to sue anyone, whether they're successful at it or not is a very different question.

Disabling access to Sony's network is a different matter, since that's not a guaranteed part of the sold product. Obviously people would get pissed off at Sony if they ended the PSN since it is advertised as part of the PS3 experience, but Sony is still allowed to restrict access to it.

Regarding the outright disabling of jailbroken products by Apple, I believe that would be a breach of the customer's rights and wouldn't hold up in court even if the "license agreement" theoretically allows them to do it.



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Mr.Y on 31 May 2011

Geeks and nerds, indeed.



deskpro2k3 on 31 May 2011

sic the FBI on em.



Mr.Y on 31 May 2011
deskpro2k3 said:

sic the FBI on em.


I'll get right on that, do you know where they are?



The Fury on 31 May 2011
NJ5 said:

He was sued but that lawsuit didn't go anywhere (the settlement reached out of court was almost without consequences for Geohot). Sony can try to sue anyone, whether they're successful at it or not is a very different question.

Disabling access to Sony's network is a different matter, since that's not a guaranteed part of the sold product. Obviously people would get pissed off at Sony if they ended the PSN since it is advertised as part of the PS3 experience, but Sony is still allowed to restrict access to it.

Regarding the outright disabling of jailbroken products by Apple, I believe that would be a breach of the customer's rights and wouldn't hold up in court even if the "license agreement" theoretically allows them to do it.

The end result of the sueing wasn't to get money as Sony know Mr Hotz obviously has none but Sony got a result in that he is no longer allowed to own a Sony product. A victory for Sony even if a moral one. The discussion was about the legality of his actions and while not illegal, they did breach Sony's rights as a business.

People would get pissed true but Sony were nice enough to offer it to us to begin with. It's a privilege not a right. If they did take it away and put full blame on hackers I'd support them for doing so.

I reread it and realised disabling was a bad choice of words (reason why I editted it). Apple do need to guard their store from thefts and they should be doing all they can to do that. 



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The_Botman on 31 May 2011

Well..... It's all about the hackers. Total disregard for to average Joes at Sony who has to deal with this, and the people who patronize Sony. Like vultures to a carcass.