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Once again these analysts fail, good work guys!

I wouldn't take anything they say seriously, especially after some predicted Wii lifetime sales to reach 12 million and others predicted it would have negative sales in 2011 so that the PS3 would become marketshare leader.

Insanity.



 

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Dodece said:

I feel like a latter day Cassandra in saying this. The next generation of consoles will be a repetition of this generation of consoles. The victors may change, but the story will basically remain the same. Nintendo is going to focus on novelty for the simple reason that it is what fits their business model. Microsoft is going to go right to the high end hardware, and Sony is going to be forced to follow suit. Really it doesn't matter what Sony says today it is what they actually do a year from now.

To understand the future you must first understand the past. Console wars follow formulas, and manufacturers basically follow their instincts. They are locked into mindsets that govern how they will act. That isn't to say it is a bad philosophy. We all follow the same philosophy in our lives. When we find something that has worked we will reuse that thing over and over again. Even after it has stopped working we will continue to follow the steps thinking that success will repeat again at some point in the future. Even if we acknowledge the problem. Instead of scrapping the idea we will most often choose to modify it. Thinking that the idea isn't necessarily wrong, but the failure lies in the execution.

Look at Nintendo they are a prime example in this. Nintendo has always been a peripheral minded company. They always incorporate gadgets into their strategy. It is easy to see why there is a lot of bread to be had there. In spite of the fact that they have more failures then successes. They still came out with a motion control system for their new console. This is how they think, and they simply refuse to deviate. Given the epic failures most of you would have made the argument eight years ago that Nintendo would have abandoned that strategy.

For Sony it is about being the best period. They think solely in terms of power. You win by having the best hardware, the best software, the biggest library, and eating losses to be competitive on the price front. They make their bread in the tail end of the generation. After they have crushed the competition. Their strategy is rapid dominance, and it isn't as if this hasn't worked for them in the past. Ask Sega if the strategy didn't work . Sony in the end is going to find fault with the implementation, and not with the underlying concept. Sony believes in rapid dominance, and the division that runs gaming is only built for that strategy. Sony needs to feed the beast.

Microsoft has a simple strategy, and they haven't waivered. More power followed by a lot of grunts. Anything that you are going to do they are going to do better. They saw what Sony did, and they did it better. They built a machine that is simply overpowered. The machine basically tore itself apart. They were happy to loss lead, and they were more then happy to go at Sony title for title. Further more Microsoft isn't too proud to outright steal best practices from their other rival Nintendo. They saw the controller, and said we could do better. Honestly nothing is more casual then the Kinect.

This is what is going to happen. Nintendo can afford to splurge a bit more on high end hardware, but probably will still come in under cost. Microsoft is going to bring another pet monster to the game. Sony seeing the monster will forget this scaled back notion, and try to match Microsoft. Everyone is excited for the next scaled back Playstation. Frankly I do not get why someone who was happy to spend six hundred dollars for the supposed best would settle for spending less for the second best. That just rings as blasphemy to me.

The PS4 is probably going to be close to Next Box. Which is likely to be ungodly powerful for a console. They are most likely to have about the same number of exclusives for that matter. At the rate Microsoft is building studios that is very easy to see happening, and Nintendo is going to try another gimmick. I give them about a 50/50 shot of it being a hit or miss. In other words nothing said right now will change the fact that the strategy is going to repeat next generation.


Nintendo has always gone with the most powerful hardware at the time they released their home console with the exception of the recent Wii; their handheld consoles have followed a different strategy of using withered technology to have a low barrier of entry and good battery life with the exception of the recent 3DS.

Sony has gone with the least powerful console hardware of its generation with the exception of the PSP and PS3.

Microsoft has gone with the highest end hardware at time of release they have only made 2 consoles and have not deviated from this strategy yet.

As you can see, their approaches to the market have actually changed over time. The fact is Sony is currently not in the financial position to out power Microsoft's next console, they simply cannot afford to take a large loss lead like they did this generation.

They will be able to release a more powerful console than Nintendo, because they are going to wait till 2014 or 2015 to release so they have more funds built up from the PS3's continued sales and the component costs will have gone down by then.

Microsoft will be in the position to release the most powerful console next generation because they have the financial cash flow coming from Xbox live annually and are planning to wait till 2014 or 2015 as well to get the components for a cheaper prices and to milk the Xbox360's profits to have a very large fund to take a large loss lead with the highest end hardware.

All of that said, Sony or Microsoft could actually pull a Wii strategy and with a disruptive strategy if they can acquire those technologies in the next few years prior to their console's launching, and enter with only minor hardware upgrades. I mean if one of them creates a way to make game development cost a ton less, that would have and obvious advantage as they could garner a massive catalog of exclusive games (Which is how the PS1 became so successful without and previous brand support from a proceeding console).



puffy said:

Once again these analysts fail, good work guys!

I wouldn't take anything they say seriously, especially after some predicted Wii lifetime sales to reach 12 million and others predicted it would have negative sales in 2011 so that the PS3 would become marketshare leader.

Insanity.

Lol. I really need someone to hook me up with an analyst position. It's like being a fanboy with a paycheck.



damn a PS4 is doomed article before it's released, that's some record timing right there



A ps4 eh? Had to happen someday why not 2012!

....Not really, but it's going to happen probably 2014-2016 as the ps3 has a supposed 10 year life span.



           

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yo_john117 said:

Tagged so I can read this later.

Don't. This piece makes you exaggarate and imagine things. See my posts.

@Mr. Khan: Nicely caught, nicely caught!

Actually I meant the comments cause I know there's gonna be gold in some of them xD



blkfish92 said:

A ps4 eh? Had to happen someday why not 2012!

....Not really, but it's going to happen probably 2014-2016 as the ps3 has a supposed 10 year life span.

I know it won't release in 2012, but 2014-2016 sounds like a stretch. The whole "PS3 10 year life span" thing doesn't mean that it will be Sony's only console for 10 years. It means that it will support it for 10 years whether it is their main priority, or under the PS4.

As for the release window, 2014 doesn't sound right because Sony doesn't ant to do what they did with the PS3, turn up after everybody else and give up marketshare. It will probably launch around 2013.



Dodece said:

 

To understand the future you must first understand the past. Console wars follow formulas, and manufacturers basically follow their instincts.

Then I guess that means, this generation SOny should have had the weakest  console and Nintendo and MS should have had more powerful consoles than Sony.

This gen is the first gen when Sony had the most powerful console.

MS is said to be trying to decide between more conservative hardware and   bleeding edge tech.

Nintendo had hardware more powerful than Sony's the last two generations.

The game changes every generation. You cannot just predict it based on past generations.

I also highly doubt it will be a repeat of this genration.



trent44 said:

 

They will be able to release a more powerful console than Nintendo, because they are going to wait till 2014 or 2015 to release so they have more funds built up from the PS3's continued sales and the component costs will have gone down by then.

Microsoft will be in the position to release the most powerful console next generation because they have the financial cash flow coming from Xbox live annually and are planning to wait till 2014 or 2015 as well to get the components for a cheaper prices and to milk the Xbox360's profits to have a very large fund to take a large loss lead with the highest end hardware.

 


There is no way MS and Sony leave Nintendo on the market for two years by themselves.

They will both launch somewhere in 2013, maybe Sony might wait for early 2014 at the latest.



IamAwsome said:
blkfish92 said:

A ps4 eh? Had to happen someday why not 2012!

....Not really, but it's going to happen probably 2014-2016 as the ps3 has a supposed 10 year life span.

I know it won't release in 2012, but 2014-2016 sounds like a stretch. The whole "PS3 10 year life span" thing doesn't mean that it will be Sony's only console for 10 years. It means that it will support it for 10 years whether it is their main priority, or under the PS4.

As for the release window, 2014 doesn't sound right because Sony doesn't ant to do what they did with the PS3, turn up after everybody else and give up marketshare. It will probably launch around 2

If you think 2013 then I suppose that makes some sence, at least the end of 2013 anyway, if not then early 2014,yet then again we'll have to wait and see of course...