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Rpruett on 24 May 2011
superchunk said:
Allfreedom99 said:

First I think that Lebron should not be in the picture yet since he has not won a championship. Its evident that he is one of the best B-ball players in the game right now. I think wthin a couple years he will have a championship under his belt. At this point we can begin comparing. In my opinion Michael Jordan is the greatest player as of yet to step foot on the basketball court. He had an incredible athletic ability, and he was simply magic with a basketball. There are other players in history that you could argue as the greatest, however. I still think Jordan is king.

Second, remember that Stats do not always tell everything. There are many factors that can affect a players stats. quality teammates that help you get to the ball and help you get open is one. Another is the type of coaching. I think in the NBA its mostly about player skill, but the coaching does have a factor on the performance of that player. In college and Highschool coaching is even more important to help determine the performance of players.

We also must consider that when comparing stats when there is a decade or more of time between two players you have to consider how sports have evolved. American football is a good example. I would argue that the best American Football team 20 years ago could easily get beat by a mediocre team in the NFL today. This is most noticeable in NFL, but applys to all sports. As time goes on training techniques evolve and get better and more efficient. This causes the athletisism of players to become better. As each year passes in sports it becomes more and more scientific in order to get the best performance possible out of every player. The training and conditioning in the NBA I argue is better today than in the 1990s. I will however point out that Michael Jordan devoted a HUGE amount of time to training. He was different from many other players in the NBA at that time. Jordan worked very very hard, and practiced, practiced, and practiced some more. What helped him to be so good was his complete and utter devoted love for the game. While I do see a love for the game from Lebron, I have not seen it to the level that MJ had. If Lebron had that level of devotion then I think we would be seeing an even better Lebron James.

If Lebron had the same level of devotion that Jordan had, Caveliers would have at least one trophy and he would never have left to Miami.

I'm a Cavaliers and Cleveland fan.  I actively will root against Lebron James until the day he retires for what he did to the city and fans. He will never achieve Jordan status in my eyes because he didn't have the internal fortitude to continue what he started and make Cleveland the multiple championship winning team that Jordan did.

With that being said,  it took Jordan 7 years in the NBA to win his first championship.  Jordan was 21 years old when he was drafted.  So Jordan didn't win a championship until he was 28 or so and some of his biggest competitors were on their downward spiral (Bird and Johnson).  Lebron has been in the NBA 8 years now but looks poised to possibly winning his first championship (I surely hope he never wins one),  if he does however he will have won a title before Jordan in a similar amount of time.

I think it's a little overboard to say that if he were more like Jordan, he would have a title.  People forget about Jordan and the Bulls struggle to become a great team for almost a decade.  That's what makes what Lebron did so much worse and weak. 

One title win in Cleveland would be equal to 5 in Miami because it was earned 150% by himself not his trio,  or Pat Riley.   He was loved in Cleveland and NBA fans while maybe didn't like him, didn't have a total lack of respect for him.   The tables have flipped on him after his whole Free agency fiasco.  He's now a villain for a lot of fans even outside of Cleveland, who can never touch the legacy of Jordan.  

True champions don't leave mid-way through their legacy building somewhere to take an easier path.



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Allfreedom99 on 24 May 2011

RPUETT said:

I'm a Cavaliers and Cleveland fan.  I actively will root against Lebron James until the day he retires for what he did to the city and fans. He will never achieve Jordan status in my eyes because he didn't have the internal fortitude to continue what he started and make Cleveland the multiple championship winning team that Jordan did.

With that being said,  it took Jordan 7 years in the NBA to win his first championship.  Jordan was 21 years old when he was drafted.  So Jordan didn't win a championship until he was 28 or so and some of his biggest competitors were on their downward spiral (Bird and Johnson).  Lebron has been in the NBA 8 years now but looks poised to possibly winning his first championship (I surely hope he never wins one),  if he does however he will have won a title before Jordan in a similar amount of time.

I think it's a little overboard to say that if he were more like Jordan, he would have a title.  People forget about Jordan and the Bulls struggle to become a great team for almost a decade.  That's what makes what Lebron did so much worse and weak. 

One title win in Cleveland would be equal to 5 in Miami because it was earned 150% by himself not his trio,  or Pat Riley.   He was loved in Cleveland and NBA fans while maybe didn't like him, didn't have a total lack of respect for him.   The tables have flipped on him after his whole Free agency fiasco.  He's now a villain for a lot of fans even outside of Cleveland, who can never touch the legacy of Jordan.  

True champions don't leave mid-way through their legacy building somewhere to take an easier path.

I can see different angles with this. I think the way he left the cavs was in bad form. Due to the way in which he left he created a lot of enemies, not just in Cleveland. We don't know if the Cavs would have ever put together an all star team. I will say the players they had surrounding Lebron were all around good players, but not great/exceptional players. Without Lebron they will be an average team when everyone is healthy. With Lebron they were a very good team and had the components to win a championship albeit a difficult one when you consider the all star teams of Lakers, and Celtics among others. In Lebron's eyes, he did not see his team winning a championship, even though they had a chance to. He thought he had a better shot at a championship by joining up with other star caliber players. That is why he went to Miami. At the same time, however he stabbed cleveland in the back. In time Cleveland could possibly have put together an all star team, but Lebron just didnt want to wait, and it seemed he was already giving up on the team during the 2010 playoffs. IMO Lebron still has some imaturity issues and needs to grow up more.

If you think about it, all of his life he has had things handed to him and been in the spotlight. Whatever he needed the Cavs would give him. Even in his younger years Im sure the scouts did him favors. He is used to having the red carpet rolled out for him. Now that he hurt his home town he is having to deal with people that dislike him. By Lebron leaving his hometown, he essentially robbed Cleveland of having a legacy. Chicago is known for their greatness with the Bulls. Cleveland was robbed of that oportunity. I think this betrayal did this to that city. In retrospect no one can really blame Lebron for wanting to win a championship and doing whatever he needs to do to be in better position to achieve that, but it was at a very high cost. He has a better shot at winning championships now, but his legacy will always be tainted by what he did. If he won titles in Cleveland it would have been his great legacy in his hometown, and a great story. Now it will be the story of the great basketball player, Lebron who betrayed his hometown in bad form, and then went on to win championships at another team. Lebron will always be remembered as a great player, and may even win as many championships as Jordan, but at the cost of his integrity and devotion.

 




ShadowSoldier on 24 May 2011
superchunk said:
ShadowSoldier said:

Bro...you didn't need to do that whole essay...anyone worth their basketball salt knows MJ> Everyone...besides you could have just said 6>0....

 

Also GOAT player: MJ, GOAT Prime: Shaq

You do realize Shaq started when Jordan was still here and from what I saw, Jordan punished him.

Jordan punished everyone but Shaq didn't hit his prime until about the 2000 season. And do you know that there was only one team Jordan's Bulls lost to during the playoffs from 1990-1993, 1995-1998? Yup Shaq's Orlando Magic was the only team to beat a Jordan lead bulls in 1995 ECF.



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superchunk on 24 May 2011
ShadowSoldier said:
superchunk said:
ShadowSoldier said:

Bro...you didn't need to do that whole essay...anyone worth their basketball salt knows MJ> Everyone...besides you could have just said 6>0....

 

Also GOAT player: MJ, GOAT Prime: Shaq

You do realize Shaq started when Jordan was still here and from what I saw, Jordan punished him.

Jordan punished everyone but Shaq didn't hit his prime until about the 2000 season. And do you know that there was only one team Jordan's Bulls lost to during the playoffs from 1990-1993, 1995-1998? Yup Shaq's Orlando Magic was the only team to beat a Jordan lead bulls in 1995 ECF.

yeah... in a season where Jordan came back late, with very little training. The rest of the industry calls that a fluke of circumstance and proved by the following three seasons of Bulls/Jordan domination.



ShadowSoldier on 24 May 2011
superchunk said:
ShadowSoldier said:
superchunk said:
ShadowSoldier said:

Bro...you didn't need to do that whole essay...anyone worth their basketball salt knows MJ> Everyone...besides you could have just said 6>0....

 

Also GOAT player: MJ, GOAT Prime: Shaq

You do realize Shaq started when Jordan was still here and from what I saw, Jordan punished him.

Jordan punished everyone but Shaq didn't hit his prime until about the 2000 season. And do you know that there was only one team Jordan's Bulls lost to during the playoffs from 1990-1993, 1995-1998? Yup Shaq's Orlando Magic was the only team to beat a Jordan lead bulls in 1995 ECF.

yeah... in a season where Jordan came back late, with very little training. The rest of the industry calls that a fluke of circumstance and proved by the following three seasons of Bulls/Jordan domination.

I'm not saying, Jordan didn't dominate. He did. But Shaq wasn't close to his Prime when Jordan spanked him. You ask a lot of Basketball fans who they'd take over Jordan in their prime for one season and most will Say Shaq



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leo-j on 24 May 2011
Rpruett said:
superchunk said:
Allfreedom99 said:

First I think that Lebron should not be in the picture yet since he has not won a championship. Its evident that he is one of the best B-ball players in the game right now. I think wthin a couple years he will have a championship under his belt. At this point we can begin comparing. In my opinion Michael Jordan is the greatest player as of yet to step foot on the basketball court. He had an incredible athletic ability, and he was simply magic with a basketball. There are other players in history that you could argue as the greatest, however. I still think Jordan is king.

Second, remember that Stats do not always tell everything. There are many factors that can affect a players stats. quality teammates that help you get to the ball and help you get open is one. Another is the type of coaching. I think in the NBA its mostly about player skill, but the coaching does have a factor on the performance of that player. In college and Highschool coaching is even more important to help determine the performance of players.

We also must consider that when comparing stats when there is a decade or more of time between two players you have to consider how sports have evolved. American football is a good example. I would argue that the best American Football team 20 years ago could easily get beat by a mediocre team in the NFL today. This is most noticeable in NFL, but applys to all sports. As time goes on training techniques evolve and get better and more efficient. This causes the athletisism of players to become better. As each year passes in sports it becomes more and more scientific in order to get the best performance possible out of every player. The training and conditioning in the NBA I argue is better today than in the 1990s. I will however point out that Michael Jordan devoted a HUGE amount of time to training. He was different from many other players in the NBA at that time. Jordan worked very very hard, and practiced, practiced, and practiced some more. What helped him to be so good was his complete and utter devoted love for the game. While I do see a love for the game from Lebron, I have not seen it to the level that MJ had. If Lebron had that level of devotion then I think we would be seeing an even better Lebron James.

If Lebron had the same level of devotion that Jordan had, Caveliers would have at least one trophy and he would never have left to Miami.

I'm a Cavaliers and Cleveland fan.  I actively will root against Lebron James until the day he retires for what he did to the city and fans. He will never achieve Jordan status in my eyes because he didn't have the internal fortitude to continue what he started and make Cleveland the multiple championship winning team that Jordan did.

With that being said,  it took Jordan 7 years in the NBA to win his first championship.  Jordan was 21 years old when he was drafted.  So Jordan didn't win a championship until he was 28 or so and some of his biggest competitors were on their downward spiral (Bird and Johnson).  Lebron has been in the NBA 8 years now but looks poised to possibly winning his first championship (I surely hope he never wins one),  if he does however he will have won a title before Jordan in a similar amount of time.

I think it's a little overboard to say that if he were more like Jordan, he would have a title.  People forget about Jordan and the Bulls struggle to become a great team for almost a decade.  That's what makes what Lebron did so much worse and weak. 

One title win in Cleveland would be equal to 5 in Miami because it was earned 150% by himself not his trio,  or Pat Riley.   He was loved in Cleveland and NBA fans while maybe didn't like him, didn't have a total lack of respect for him.   The tables have flipped on him after his whole Free agency fiasco.  He's now a villain for a lot of fans even outside of Cleveland, who can never touch the legacy of Jordan.  

True champions don't leave mid-way through their legacy building somewhere to take an easier path.

You realize that lebron didn't just leave because he wanted "an easier path", he left because the cavaliers' management did absolutely NOTHING to help make the team more competitive, and absolutely NOTHING to convince lebron to stay..

MIAMI on the other hand did the exact opposite to wade, with riley PROMISING WADE at least 1 all star on his team if he signed with miami, and they managed to convince bosh to come to miami.. Miami named the entire county "WADE COUNTY" in tribute to d wade.. and they didn't boo the fact wade said he was looking at the bulls at a probably choice.. and WADE brought a championship to miami..

it shows how two faced and ignorant people can be, considering lebron did nothing wrong at all.. what would you want him to stay with the same team that has by far the worst record in the nba without one player? He made the right choice, chances are that had he gone to chicago with wade, he wouldn't be as hated.. because it's chicago.. just like the d rose mvp argument, he clearly wasn't at all the best player in the nba this season, yet he won mvp..because he's in chicago.. same with new york..

 winning one championship in miami is better than winning none at all with the cavaliers..



 

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Rpruett on 24 May 2011
leo-j said:

You realize that lebron didn't just leave because he wanted "an easier path", he left because the cavaliers' management did absolutely NOTHING to help make the team more competitive, and absolutely NOTHING to convince lebron to stay..

Absolutely, categorically false in every sense of the word.  The Cavs always were paying the Luxury tax year after year, bringing in players that Lebron wanted and rubber stamped.  The whole team was built around Lebron James.   Additions like Shaq, Mo Williams, Antwan Jamison all were solid role players brought in to aid Lebron James.  The Cavaliers fired Mike Brown to appease Lebron and couldn't get any solid coaching candidate because of how non-committal Lebron was.

To make matters worse,  Lebron James always played coy with his contract issues.  Never giving the Cavaliers a firm decision before hand.  How can you build a team around a player who constantly tells you, you have to wait until his contract expires to figure out his decision.

Your take is a very simple minded one.  With the way the Salary cap is structured, it's not like the Cavaliers could just drop every player they didn't want with no consequence.  They actually were very active in clearing cap room to bring in a player like Chris Bosh (On top of Mo Williams, Shaq, Jamison, etc).

MIAMI on the other hand did the exact opposite to wade, with riley PROMISING WADE at least 1 all star on his team if he signed with miami, and they managed to convince bosh to come to miami.. Miami named the entire county "WADE COUNTY" in tribute to d wade.. and they didn't boo the fact wade said he was looking at the bulls at a probably choice.. and WADE brought a championship to miami..

No one booed Lebron in Cleveland until he went on National Primetime TV to rub it into the faces of a town who did everything in their power to build his fame, celebrity and prowess in their power.  People would be upset had he left, but would get over it had he not made a spectacle of the whole issue but instead he opted to do that (And has since said he regretted doing in that fashion).

Let's also realize that while on the Cavaliers, those teams actually had better records year after year than the ones posted by this years 'dream team' Heat. How can that be if Lebron was on such an untalented roster and now he is on such a star-studded roster. 

it shows how two faced and ignorant people can be, considering lebron did nothing wrong at all.. what would you want him to stay with the same team that has by far the worst record in the nba without one player?

You do realize the Cavaliers didn't lose just one player right?  They lost several core players along with Lebron James (Shaq, Ilgauskus, Delonte West as well as injuries to Jamison and Williams) and an entirely new coaching staff.  They aren't even remotely the same team as when Lebron played on the team.

He made the right choice, chances are that had he gone to chicago with wade, he wouldn't be as hated.. because it's chicago.. just like the d rose mvp argument, he clearly wasn't at all the best player in the nba this season, yet he won mvp..because he's in chicago.. same with new york..

D Rose clearly was the best player in the NBA this year.  Now I know you're delusional.  Lebron made the right choice to take the easiest path to the championship. (Something Jordan commented on saying he would have never done, because he was a competitor.)  What Lebron did was show that he doesn't have the competitive spirit of a truly great player.  

 winning one championship in miami is better than winning none at all with the cavaliers..

Earning one championship in Cleveland is better than coasting to some in Miami.





leo-j on 24 May 2011
Rpruett said:
leo-j said:
 

You realize that lebron didn't just leave because he wanted "an easier path", he left because the cavaliers' management did absolutely NOTHING to help make the team more competitive, and absolutely NOTHING to convince lebron to stay..

Absolutely, categorically false in every sense of the word.  The Cavs always were paying the Luxury tax year after year, bringing in players that Lebron wanted and rubber stamped.  The whole team was built around Lebron James.   Additions like Shaq, Mo Williams, Antwan Jamison all were solid role players brought in to aid Lebron James.  The Cavaliers fired Mike Brown to appease Lebron and couldn't get any solid coaching candidate because of how non-committal Lebron was.

To make matters worse,  Lebron James always played coy with his contract issues.  Never giving the Cavaliers a firm decision before hand.  How can you build a team around a player who constantly tells you, you have to wait until his contract expires to figure out his decision.

Your take is a very simple minded one.  With the way the Salary cap is structured, it's not like the Cavaliers could just drop every player they didn't want with no consequence.  They actually were very active in clearing cap room to bring in a player like Chris Bosh (On top of Mo Williams, Shaq, Jamison, etc).

MIAMI on the other hand did the exact opposite to wade, with riley PROMISING WADE at least 1 all star on his team if he signed with miami, and they managed to convince bosh to come to miami.. Miami named the entire county "WADE COUNTY" in tribute to d wade.. and they didn't boo the fact wade said he was looking at the bulls at a probably choice.. and WADE brought a championship to miami..

No one booed Lebron in Cleveland until he went on National Primetime TV to rub it into the faces of a town who did everything in their power to build his fame, celebrity and prowess in their power.  People would be upset had he left, but would get over it had he not made a spectacle of the whole issue but instead he opted to do that (And has since said he regretted doing in that fashion).

Let's also realize that while on the Cavaliers, those teams actually had better records year after year than the ones posted by this years 'dream team' Heat. How can that be if Lebron was on such an untalented roster and now he is on such a star-studded roster. 

it shows how two faced and ignorant people can be, considering lebron did nothing wrong at all.. what would you want him to stay with the same team that has by far the worst record in the nba without one player?

You do realize the Cavaliers didn't lose just one player right?  They lost several core players along with Lebron James (Shaq, Ilgauskus, Delonte West as well as injuries to Jamison and Williams) and an entirely new coaching staff.  They aren't even remotely the same team as when Lebron played on the team.

He made the right choice, chances are that had he gone to chicago with wade, he wouldn't be as hated.. because it's chicago.. just like the d rose mvp argument, he clearly wasn't at all the best player in the nba this season, yet he won mvp..because he's in chicago.. same with new york..

D Rose clearly was the best player in the NBA this year.  Now I know you're delusional.  Lebron made the right choice to take the easiest path to the championship. (Something Jordan commented on saying he would have never done, because he was a competitor.)  What Lebron did was show that he doesn't have the competitive spirit of a truly great player.  

 winning one championship in miami is better than winning none at all with the cavaliers..

Earning one championship in Cleveland is better than coasting to some in Miami.



everything you're responding with is behind the lines, the cavs did not announce any of that information, it was all made up by fans to make lebron look worse.. lebron said miami gave him the biggest opportunity to win a championship and he took it, a one in a lifetime chance to team up with one of the best players in the league and a growing all star pf.. jordan had pippen later on in his career and a fairly deep roster.. the cavs have.. ? Sure delonte left.. Williams played a significant amount of the season so did jamison.. they did what.. there's no excuse for being the worst team in the nba just because delonte, lebron, and a non impact shaq left when you had the best record in the nba the year before(goes to show how much you needed lebron and that's the definition of mvp right there)..

Lebron tried his hardest 7 times with cleveland, and won nothing, even when he did legitimately win mvp last year, and was mvp the year before.. and cleveland didn't just lose BIG Z they traded him.. and he was barely resigned at the end of the season last year..

the nba is delusional not the poster..

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rose is not the best player in the league.. he's in chicago..

to quote scottie pippen in gm 2:

"Had lebron or wade come to chicago one of them would have won mvp not derrick rose"

Wade's best season takes a load on rose's mvp season.. and wade won a championship his 2nd best season.. what if wade joined his dream team chicago..



 

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Rpruett on 24 May 2011

leo-j said:

Rpruett said:



everything you're responding with is behind the lines, the cavs did not announce any of that information, it was all made up by fans to make lebron look worse..

You're right the Cavaliers spending well above the Luxury tax out of the owners pocket to make them as competitive as humanly possible within the constraints of the Salary cap, or Lebron James public endorsements of player acquisitions is all made up by the fans to make him look worse.  You know the same town who had an entire side of a building devoted to Lebron James.

lebron said miami gave him the biggest opportunity to win a championship and he took it, a one in a lifetime chance to team up with one of the best players in the league and a growing all star pf.. jordan had pippen later on in his career and a fairly deep roster..

It took Jordan 7 years to assemble that 'deep' roster, and never once did he waiver from Chicago.  Even after losing year after year.  He was a leader striving to get better and improve knowing that his day would come. 

The Cavaliers were an NBA best during Lebrons last year.  You want me to believe that the Cavaliers didn't have depth or talent on that roster?  Despite having more wins than this years Heat roster?

the cavs have.. ? Sure delonte left.. Williams played a significant amount of the season so did jamison.. they did what.. there's no excuse for being the worst team in the nba just because delonte, lebron, and a non impact shaq left when you had the best record in the nba the year before(goes to show how much you needed lebron and that's the definition of mvp right there)..

Lebron was a great player for the Cavaliers (Easily the best on the roster).  That does not mean that the Cavaliers didn't place tons of talent around him.  That doesn't mean that the Cavaliers were chopped liver.  They made Lebron the focal point of the team.  The Jordan if you will. 

Lebron tried his hardest 7 times with cleveland, and won nothing, even when he did legitimately win mvp last year, and was mvp the year before.. and cleveland didn't just lose BIG Z they traded him.. and he was barely resigned at the end of the season last year..

Jordan didn't sniff a championship until he was 28 years old.  Lebron James is only 26 years old right now.  The Cavaliers were in the finals just a few years ago (With that terrible, terrible team).  It's a disgrace that Lebron didn't finish what he started in Cleveland.  It proves he doesn't have the heart of a true competitor, champion or leader.  He is a follower / front-runner and always will be.  He is a great basketball player but Jordan he will never touch.    At this point he is a lot more Dominique Wilkins than Michael Jordan. 

rose is not the best player in the league.. he's in chicago..

Are you confusing best player in the league vs Most Valuable Player?  Do we need to go down this route?  Derrick Rose was the MVP to his team, in the NBA.  Period.   Wade or Lebron didn't need to play their best for Miami to win games.  Derrick Rose is taking a far less star studded team and taking them to the same heights that Lebron,Wade,Bosh have.     That is why he was the MVP for his team.

Wade's best season takes a load on rose's mvp season.. and wade won a championship his 2nd best season.. what if wade joined his dream team chicago..

Again you don't understand what MVP means.  I'm not going to hold your hand explaining it to you.

 





leo-j on 25 May 2011
Rpruett said:

leo-j said:

Rpruett said:



 

everything you're responding with is behind the lines, the cavs did not announce any of that information, it was all made up by fans to make lebron look worse..

You're right the Cavaliers spending well above the Luxury tax out of the owners pocket to make them as competitive as humanly possible within the constraints of the Salary cap, or Lebron James public endorsements of player acquisitions is all made up by the fans to make him look worse.  You know the same town who had an entire side of a building devoted to Lebron James.

lebron said miami gave him the biggest opportunity to win a championship and he took it, a one in a lifetime chance to team up with one of the best players in the league and a growing all star pf.. jordan had pippen later on in his career and a fairly deep roster..

It took Jordan 7 years to assemble that 'deep' roster, and never once did he waiver from Chicago.  Even after losing year after year.  He was a leader striving to get better and improve knowing that his day would come. 

The Cavaliers were an NBA best during Lebrons last year.  You want me to believe that the Cavaliers didn't have depth or talent on that roster?  Despite having more wins than this years Heat roster?

the cavs have.. ? Sure delonte left.. Williams played a significant amount of the season so did jamison.. they did what.. there's no excuse for being the worst team in the nba just because delonte, lebron, and a non impact shaq left when you had the best record in the nba the year before(goes to show how much you needed lebron and that's the definition of mvp right there)..

Lebron was a great player for the Cavaliers (Easily the best on the roster).  That does not mean that the Cavaliers didn't place tons of talent around him.  That doesn't mean that the Cavaliers were chopped liver.  They made Lebron the focal point of the team.  The Jordan if you will. 

Lebron tried his hardest 7 times with cleveland, and won nothing, even when he did legitimately win mvp last year, and was mvp the year before.. and cleveland didn't just lose BIG Z they traded him.. and he was barely resigned at the end of the season last year..

Jordan didn't sniff a championship until he was 28 years old.  Lebron James is only 26 years old right now.  The Cavaliers were in the finals just a few years ago (With that terrible, terrible team).  It's a disgrace that Lebron didn't finish what he started in Cleveland.  It proves he doesn't have the heart of a true competitor, champion or leader.  He is a follower / front-runner and always will be.  He is a great basketball player but Jordan he will never touch.    At this point he is a lot more Dominique Wilkins than Michael Jordan. 

rose is not the best player in the league.. he's in chicago..

Are you confusing best player in the league vs Most Valuable Player?  Do we need to go down this route?  Derrick Rose was the MVP to his team, in the NBA.  Period.   Wade or Lebron didn't need to play their best for Miami to win games.  Derrick Rose is taking a far less star studded team and taking them to the same heights that Lebron,Wade,Bosh have.     That is why he was the MVP for his team.

Wade's best season takes a load on rose's mvp season.. and wade won a championship his 2nd best season.. what if wade joined his dream team chicago..

Again you don't understand what MVP means.  I'm not going to hold your hand explaining it to you.

 



you said rose was clearly the best player in the league this year.. when he wasn't clearly the best player in the league..

not whether or not he was the most valuable player of the league, you were responding to what I had said, yes his value to chicago was greatest, but his value to the league was not when there were 8 other players that had a better season than he did..

Wade didn't win mvp because lebron was the favorite along with kobe and even carmelo when they entered the league.. wade taking the heat over the mavericks in 2006 by himself(with a weak shaq) and he only won finals mvp.. not league.. considering he was literally doing things only jordan had ever done on an nba nasketball court.. and in 08 although his team only made the first round of the play offs, he wasn't even a big contendor for mvp despite clearly taking every heat team after 2007 into the nba play offs all by himself.. literally with rosters that make cleveland's current roster look like an all star assemble..

Rose has become the favorite after lebron became hated by the cleveland fans and then eventually the media.. rose being in chicago, and doing all star plays at times even jaw dropping plays only comparable to things lebron, wade, or kobe, or iverson,  had done in their careers automatically makes him the favorite..

want to know how biased the media/nba is?

ROSE and kobe made it to the nba all nba first team

Wade didn't.. neither did Dirk who is one of if not the best PF in this league at the moment

no one here is comparing anyone to jordan either.. it's ok if jordan won a championship in 1991, but when he came back to the bulls later on in his career he won a couple of championships with pippen.. a hall of famer..

lebron left because the cavs weren't giving him the tools necessary for a championship(in your opinion delonte and mo is a roster, that isn't a roster, lebron was the only all star on that team, you expected him to beat rondo, garnett, allen, and pierce.. the celtics are the reason he even joined wade and bosh.. they blew out miami and cleveland and lebron has never beaten the celtics in a series, neither has wade) he did make it to the finals but failed against the spurs.. after that he never got that far into the play offs.. the fact the miami oppurtonity came up, is why he left cleveland, he said so himself.. he would have never been able to play with wade if he hadn't signed with miami.. chicago maybe, but he didn't want to follow jordan's legacy completely, he wanted a legacy for himself, same with d wade.. who is now hated in chicago for absolutely no reason.. what lebron did was legal in the nba, sure he broadcasted on live tv, but hey no one hated him when he announced he would..  only when he said "south beach"..



 

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