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sapphi_snake said:
PhalanxCO said:

Please don't take the despicable actions of one group and blame an entire faith for it.  Not all Christians (or religious people in general) would condone this in any way shape or form.

Won't the sheep do and think whatever the shepherd tells them to?

They shouldn't. In this case they did for some horrible reason.

Usually, Christians have independant thought from their pastor, and the pastor is there to help guide them. Unfortunately, weak and stupid Christians in some cases simply believe whatever the pastor says because he's smarter than them.



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sapphi_snake said:
PhalanxCO said:

Please don't take the despicable actions of one group and blame an entire faith for it.  Not all Christians (or religious people in general) would condone this in any way shape or form.

Won't the sheep do and think whatever the shepherd tells them to?

The sheep have a responsibility to reason for themselves whether the teachings of the shepherd are in line with the scriptures or not.



sapphi_snake said:
DélioPT said:

That was just wrong!

Don`t really understand why the generalizations towards a religion when an action isn`t obviously in accordance with said religion.

Isn't it? When has Christianity presented a positive vision of women?


This has got nothing to do with Christianity`s view of women - nor men. This is about someone blaming another person when said person did nothing wrong and those who put the case in a way to avoid seeing the truth of one man`s wrong doing.



sapphi_snake said:
DélioPT said:

That was just wrong!

Don`t really understand why the generalizations towards a religion when an action isn`t obviously in accordance with said religion.

Isn't it? When has Christianity presented a positive vision of women?


before the new testament when women could be pastors and hold power in the church.



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ssj12 said:
sapphi_snake said:
DélioPT said:

That was just wrong!

Don`t really understand why the generalizations towards a religion when an action isn`t obviously in accordance with said religion.

Isn't it? When has Christianity presented a positive vision of women?


before the new testament when women could be pastors and hold power in the church.

To be fair, there were women pastors and held power in the NT church, as per Paul's writings. Multiple references were given to women that held church services in their house, and Paul mentions quite a few women that were of prominence in the church. However, many people tend to discourage proper interpretation of these scriptures.



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mrstickball said:
ssj12 said:
sapphi_snake said:
DélioPT said:

That was just wrong!

Don`t really understand why the generalizations towards a religion when an action isn`t obviously in accordance with said religion.

Isn't it? When has Christianity presented a positive vision of women?


before the new testament when women could be pastors and hold power in the church.

To be fair, there were women pastors and held power in the NT church, as per Paul's writings. Multiple references were given to women that held church services in their house, and Paul mentions quite a few women that were of prominence in the church. However, many people tend to discourage proper interpretation of these scriptures.


That is true, but the sexist bureaucrats that ran/runs the Church denounced/denounces the household teachings if I remember right, too. I think it has something to do with some crap along the lines of "scripture and holy blessings can only truly be given by a pastor in the house of god" or some crap like that.



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PhalanxCO said:
sapphi_snake said:
PhalanxCO said:

Please don't take the despicable actions of one group and blame an entire faith for it.  Not all Christians (or religious people in general) would condone this in any way shape or form.

Won't the sheep do and think whatever the shepherd tells them to?

The sheep have a responsibility to reason for themselves whether the teachings of the shepherd are in line with the scriptures or not.

in my opinion people do not turn to or embrace religion because they want to "think for themselves". they want security and peace of mind. they want to be free from uncertainty and they want to hear that everything will be alright as long as you follow the rules.

i am not saying these are bad things, but they hold a lot of potential for abuse, especially as every scripture can be interpreted in any way it suits someone.



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

DélioPT said:
sapphi_snake said:
DélioPT said:

That was just wrong!

Don`t really understand why the generalizations towards a religion when an action isn`t obviously in accordance with said religion.

Isn't it? When has Christianity presented a positive vision of women?


This has got nothing to do with Christianity`s view of women - nor men. This is about someone blaming another person when said person did nothing wrong and those who put the case in a way to avoid seeing the truth of one man`s wrong doing.

It has everything to do with how Christianity views both women and men. It's about the persecution of a WOMAN, and the ignoring of a MAN's wrongdoing.



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Porcupine_I said:
PhalanxCO said:
sapphi_snake said:
PhalanxCO said:

Please don't take the despicable actions of one group and blame an entire faith for it.  Not all Christians (or religious people in general) would condone this in any way shape or form.

Won't the sheep do and think whatever the shepherd tells them to?

The sheep have a responsibility to reason for themselves whether the teachings of the shepherd are in line with the scriptures or not.

in my opinion people do not turn to or embrace religion because they want to "think for themselves". they want security and peace of mind. they want to be free from uncertainty and they want to hear that everything will be alright as long as you follow the rules.

i am not saying these are bad things, but they hold a lot of potential for abuse, especially as every scripture can be interpreted in any way it suits someone.

Great post!



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

I don't think this has anything to do with the church, just one man with a distorted view on the world (and a congregation that will be sympathetic towards his manner of dealing with things).