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Boutros said:

Right the only thing keeping me away from pirating games are physical media.

If the industry goes digital only, there goes my money.

Yeah, same here pretty much. I love physical media.

DigitalDownload doesn't feel like I own the game. It feels just like having a pirated game on my HDD.



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Wagram said:
Rainbird said:
Boutros said:

Right the only thing keeping me away from pirating games are physical media.

If the industry goes digital only, there goes my money.

Sorry, but that's pretty pathetic. You'd rather steal than pay someone for the work they have done, that you are now enjoying?

OT: I'm looking forward to a more digital future. Boosting digital sales means boosting independant developers, and cutting out the middlemen. We can't handle it with the current state of affairs though, we need more development platform-wise that will better let users spend their money on things they want.

Digitial only leaves less room for competition prices. Games will be at full price for years on end. I will not pay full price for over a 1 year old game and especially not if I can't get a physical copy. I don't support piracy but I would probably fall to the other side if this were to happen.

Depends on your point of view. With platforms like the PS3 and 360 there might be issues, but ideally (like on the PC) developers and publishers should be free to sell their products as they see fit, which should create plenty of competition. As they alter their prices, they create competition, and you have a winning recipy. Steam generates lots of money by having big sales, and right now there is a sale on Need for Speed games, get NfS: Hot Pursuit at 50% reduced price. 

The thing is, games won't be full price for years on end, because no matter if they're being sold physically or digitally, demand is what sets the price. If demand lessens, and developers wants to keep making money off their games, they'll lower the price to make the game more attractive to gamers. Or maybe they will introduce special sales that could never have happened at retail like "Buy six of our games for this ludicrous price!".

There will be pricereductions and sales on games sold digitally just as much as there is physically.



Rainbird said:
Boutros said:

Right the only thing keeping me away from pirating games are physical media.

If the industry goes digital only, there goes my money.

Sorry, but that's pretty pathetic. You'd rather steal than pay someone for the work they have done, that you are now enjoying?

OT: I'm looking forward to a more digital future. Boosting digital sales means boosting independant developers, and cutting out the middlemen. We can't handle it with the current state of affairs though, we need more development platform-wise that will better let users spend their money on things they want.

Fool. I'm trying to scare them and you force me to blow my cover.



Boutros said:
Rainbird said:
Boutros said:

Right the only thing keeping me away from pirating games are physical media.

If the industry goes digital only, there goes my money.

Sorry, but that's pretty pathetic. You'd rather steal than pay someone for the work they have done, that you are now enjoying?

OT: I'm looking forward to a more digital future. Boosting digital sales means boosting independant developers, and cutting out the middlemen. We can't handle it with the current state of affairs though, we need more development platform-wise that will better let users spend their money on things they want.

Fool. I'm trying to scare them and you force me to blow my cover.

But but... lying is bad? ;_;



I know the day console gaming goes full digital, I'm not buying games anymore.

I'm not paying for a glorified rental and goes away as soon as the service ends.



Pixel Art can be fun.

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SmokedHostage said:

I know the day console gaming goes full digital, I'm not buying games anymore.

I'm not paying for a glorified rental and goes away as soon as the service ends.

Huh? What makes you think it goes away? The game is still yours to keep when the service doesn't exist, PSN is offline now but you don't hear anyone complaining about how they lost their PSN games.

What would happen if Steam died? You could still use Steam in offline mode and play your games as you used to.

There really isn't that big a difference.



irstupid said:SuperAnthony64 said: So there will be no price competition to the used game sales. This will lead to devs keeping their games at 60 bucks till the end of time cause theres no used game  competition. Once the video game industry goes full digital I will become an exclusive classic gamer. I still buy my steam games retail cause I like to have the physical copies. well no that won't happen.  same reason if there was only one console. doesn't matter if no used game sales, if a game isn't selling a company will lower its price.  same if there was only one console.  the ps3 woudln't still be at $600.  people would not buy it cause its teh only one.  You are confusing video games with being a need.  video games are not a necessety and if they cost to much people will just not do them.

 

Are you telling me that if there is only one way to get said game the dev wont keep it at a high price point? If the game is selling at a high price point with steady sales do you think they will ever drop the price? Why lower the price if people want it and we are the only ones able to distribute it.

Guess you can look at it both ways but I dont ever want to see a day where DD is manditory. There is no value in a DD colection but there is in a physical collection. If Ihate the game I just purchased I can sell it and get some money back. With DD im stuck with the POS forever and eat my losses.



the_wizard_man said:
loves2splooge said:

Game developers have a sick sense of entitlement. If gamers don't deem your game worth $60 and decide to buy it used or rent it instead, that is your fault for not creating something that gamer's highly value (or in many cases, your publisher's fault for not adequately marketing your game). If you couldn't buy used or rent, there is going to be a natural progression towards lower prices and gamers buying games on sales anyway. That is exactly what we are seeing with Steam and other digital distribution platforms right now on the PC. Didn't Shio once mention that he bought 40 PC games for $200? Is that what you'd prefer for console games Remedy? Probably not. lol. People may think "it's better to get some money from the bargain bin than to get nothing at all (used games or rentals)." But the truth is the gamers who sell used games usually use that money to buy more new games. And in order to rent games to renters like me, you have to actually buy the games. And how do you think rental companies like Gamefly come up with the funds to buy the discs to rent out? They get funded through subscriptions of course! (Or in the case of limited time rentals like Blockbuster, the rental fee that you pay to rent the game).

Gamestop did screw over the balance between used and new games though, when people buy a used game for 55 bucks and sell them for 15 when they could get 40 on ebay there is a problem

Yeah you are better off dealing with ebay than GameStop.For purchasing used (though I have only ever bought 2 used games this entire generation) and pre-owned sealed games (games that were never opened before but resold on ebay. I buy plenty of the older games this way), I use ebay or amazon marketplace. I haven't got into selling on ebay yet.



SuperAnthony64 said:

Guess you can look at it both ways but I dont ever want to see a day where DD is manditory. There is no value in a DD colection but there is in a physical collection. If Ihate the game I just purchased I can sell it and get some money back. With DD im stuck with the POS forever and eat my losses.

Bolded #1: False. If digital data holds no value, why can people sell their WoW accounts, Xbox Live Gamertags and what not? What should stop me from selling my Steam account and all the games on it at the price I want?

Bolded #2: Sort of true, at least for now. On Android, you have 24 hours to decide whether or not you want your money back, and there is no reason why a system like this can't gain traction when DD starts to grow. On a related note, with PS Plus, Sony have demos that are the first hour of a game, a feature designed to help players better designed if a game is worth their time before they buy it. As DD becomes more popular, features like these are sure to become the norm for helping gamers decide whether this DD purchase is for them and help them with their purchases.



loves2splooge said:
the_wizard_man said:
loves2splooge said:

Game developers have a sick sense of entitlement. If gamers don't deem your game worth $60 and decide to buy it used or rent it instead, that is your fault for not creating something that gamer's highly value (or in many cases, your publisher's fault for not adequately marketing your game). If you couldn't buy used or rent, there is going to be a natural progression towards lower prices and gamers buying games on sales anyway. That is exactly what we are seeing with Steam and other digital distribution platforms right now on the PC. Didn't Shio once mention that he bought 40 PC games for $200? Is that what you'd prefer for console games Remedy? Probably not. lol. People may think "it's better to get some money from the bargain bin than to get nothing at all (used games or rentals)." But the truth is the gamers who sell used games usually use that money to buy more new games. And in order to rent games to renters like me, you have to actually buy the games. And how do you think rental companies like Gamefly come up with the funds to buy the discs to rent out? They get funded through subscriptions of course! (Or in the case of limited time rentals like Blockbuster, the rental fee that you pay to rent the game).

Gamestop did screw over the balance between used and new games though, when people buy a used game for 55 bucks and sell them for 15 when they could get 40 on ebay there is a problem

Yeah you are better off dealing with ebay than GameStop.For purchasing used and pre-owned sealed games (games that were never opened before but resold on ebay), I use ebay or amazon marketplace. I haven't got into selling on ebay yet.

The fact that people don't bother and that they buy used games for 55 is why devs are complaining now, because used and new games used to be balanced even in retail stores that had them but now they aren't so I don't really get mad at devs when they make people buy stuff if they buy a used one or give them less content because frankly gamestop started it and the consumers are the ones supporting gamestops 55 used games, and they just want to screw people over that pay 5 bucks less then it new