I don't know what's supposed to be wrong with the characteriation of Samus. Sure it's not shakespeare but the story is very nice - certainly for a game. It even has a nice twist.

Just because it isn't the typical  - hate authority/make my own rules/me against the world - of storygames, doesn't mean there is something wrong with it. The storytelling simply embraces a asian form of warrior. You know the 'poetry writing samurai' thing. No surprise when you look at the development team. 

And the controls are awesome. Simple and fast. You really feel like you're in control - far more so then with a first person view.

Overall, It's sad that nintendo failed to expand the Metroid audience. But the biggest factor in that is probably the runoff of more core-like players. Metroid other M was more mainstream then ever. As a sad result Samus will be probably be forzen with her own icebeam for a while.

"Just because it isn't the typical  - hate authority/make my own rules/me against the world - of storygames"

Your argument fails there, because you are assuming our point is something other than it is.

Who's "we" and what is "our point"...?

I read five pages back - i'm not gonna read the entire thread - and found little of your posting about anything. And there you do mention you're indefferent about other M. And yet you're having a strong point over Samus in Other M.

The other one who talks a lot about Samus' character is Phoeniks.Wright, who admits to not even owning the game.

1. I should have clarified I'm indifferent to the gameplay parts of it, but the way Samus was written was awful.

2. It's not on this thread alone that people have been calling how Samus was done here.

Don't see the problem here though, all I needed was youtube to watch the cutscenes to see her new character.

I sti lthink everyone is confusing what 'legs' is.

But aside from that, its been well established that the majority of Metroid games sell between 1.25 and 1.5 Million units.  The only games to break this trend is the original and Prime 1 which sold over 2 million.  Its pretty safe to say this series has a set fanbase and sales.  Other M will most likely reach that 1.25-1.5 million golden mean by the end of the Wii life cycle.  Though probably closer to 1.25 million.

You';re still overlooking the very important point he, and I, have brought up a dozen times.  Metroid Other M is a game 'trying' to be mainstream.  Its story resembled that of games like MGS, Resident Evil or even God of War with overacting, exessive drama not tied to gameplay and ridiculous situations.  I understand your argument, but really it comes down to you saying her character was ruined, based on your opinion.  I'm not going to say Samus was handled well in Other M.  I wish she would have been handled in a different way as well.  But again, its just our opinion.  If I'm to say EVERYTHING about Other M sucked, I'd have to claim those other games I mentioned above were also bad for the same reasons.  And its quite obvious Samus' character, as well as the whole game itself, was trying to be a 'mainstream blockbuster' title on the same level of those I previously mentioned.

Again, shortened so I can repeat it, the majority of arguments against Other M are subjective and based on what people thought her character was.  And repeating it for the 5th or 6th time, people made the same complaints about Samus in Metroid Fusion, but now claim that game is 'good'.

"I sti lthink everyone is confusing what 'legs' is."

Sales were worse after release than the Prime games' post-release sales. It doesn't matter how you define legs then unless you think lower sales are what it means.

"You';re still overlooking the very important point he, and I, have brought up a dozen times.  Metroid Other M is a game 'trying' to be mainstream."

Wait. Did you actually read my comments here? I agreed that it was trying to be mainstream. I just stated it failed at that. And it's usually the defenders I see denying that it tried to be mainstream, to excuse the lower sales.

" Its story resembled that of games like MGS, Resident Evil or even God of War with overacting, exessive drama not tied to gameplay and ridiculous situations."

And? That still doesn't excuse the execution.

"but really it comes down to you saying her character was ruined, based on your opinion"

No, because I don't claim she was ruined.

"If I'm to say EVERYTHING about Other M sucked, I'd have to claim those other games I mentioned above were also bad for the same reasons."

Um, we aren't claiming everything sucked. Try some of Data Design's games.

"people made the same complaints about Samus in Metroid Fusion, but now claim that game is 'good'."

Um, what makes you think those are the same people? Plenty of people still thought the game was good back then, and plenty don't think it's that good now (I personally think it was good but falls short of greatness, and that hasn't changed from when I first played it).

I will admit a lot of my comments were genralizations.  But can you blame me, when people are not just stopping at saying Samus was ruined, but trying to defend their opinion by saying every part of Other M sucked.  And not even letting up for anything.  Even when they are forced to see that Other M used the same enemies, bosses and locations as Super Metroid, a lot of these haters make up excuses to why the ENTIRE gameplay and design sucked.  Its like the opposite of Prime, where people claim the games were perfect in every way.  The most pure example of extreme love or hate reactions to things.

And like I keep saying, the majority of them made the exact same arguments against Metroid Fusion even up to a year ago.  Its only been since the release of Other M that people stopped focusing on how Fusion 'ruined' the series and instead focus on Other M.  What's next?  Are they going to jump on the next Metroid and claim Other M was 'an alright game'?

Also, what makes me think they are the same people is because more than a few of them have admited it.

Okay, well I'm not part of that group, and if they have been stating that, those are just whiners. I'm more of that the game wasn't appealing and failed to grow the series in the direction it took.

Plus trying to emulate those story games shows that the people working on that failed to see why those cames caught on.

But no, it didn't ruin the series. If Nintendo allows this direction to continue, it might, but not this game alone.